Austria unvaccinated lockdown

[MRex]

How is this expected to actually work in practice? I have only seen basic UK news articles, interested mostly to understand the practical implications.

Personal views without knowing detail: I simply don't see any way this can be achieved without infringing on personal freedoms of unvaccinated and vaccinated quite significantly. I'm very pro-vax in general and for covid, but I hope the UK doesn't start anything like this, seems like it would just have anyone digging their heels in and cause a lot of social unrest issues.

I really hope people protest about this. But then it is the boiling frog thing, isn't it.

I know what to do if this comes to the UK.

I live next door in Switzerland. Austria is incredibly strict and always has been. We decided not to holiday there due to the sheer number of tests we would need to take every 24 hours I think.
In practise this is going to be hard to enforce but I’m pretty sure they will fine people to make an example of them.
It’s disgraceful.
There have been protests all over Europe - regularly since the vaccine passports starts but people don’t really realize because the mainstream media don’t usually report on it.

Impinging on freedoms is precisely the point of the policy...

I don't agree with it, but I'm surprised at the statement "it can't be achieved without impinging etc" That's the point!

Just watching it on the news here. Does it really surprise anyone anymore though at this point?
People laughed at me when I said over a year ago that we would need vaccine passports to be able to do anything and yet here we are (I’m not in the UK so not sure of the rules there but in this country you can’t take a piss without a vaccine cert!).

@XenoBitch

I really hope people protest about this. But then it is the boiling frog thing, isn't it.

I know what to do if this comes to the UK.

There's a lot of people on this board that would be loving it!

If this comes in I will just go about my life exactly as I always have done. I will live my life.

There will be people cheering this on, reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment with the vaccinated in place of the prison guards.

I find this very scary, and I am double jabbed so not an 'anti vaxxer.'

@FMSucks

Just watching it on the news here. Does it really surprise anyone anymore though at this point? People laughed at me when I said over a year ago that we would need vaccine passports to be able to do anything and yet here we are (I’m not in the UK so not sure of the rules there but in this country you can’t take a piss without a vaccine cert!).

Very limited use here in the UK. Care home and NHS staff vaccination is becoming mandatory. Some employers want it for office attendance but few are linking it to employment, some large events wants vaccine or negative certificate proof, nothing else. Mostly seems sensible based on risk to me; apart from a selected few employers, most employers more take the view of having vulnerable staff work from home instead of checking vaccination.

I know Austria is generally a more restrictive culture. I can't see that sort of policy working in the UK because personal liberty is more expected. What I'm more confused by is HOW they plan to police this. E.g. Checking vaccine certificates and destination in the street is hugely impactful on everyone; that's a MASSIVE leap on from "show vaccine or negative LFT to come in this concert", but is that actually their plan and if not how are individuals even identified as being in breach? Can people go to work or college who aren't vaccinated? That kind of thing.

Maybe they could just start with masks and social distancing?

I was in Austria a couple of months ago. There is a lot more mask wearing there than here.

They also required vaccine passports for restaurants then but it was rarely enforced by the establishments. Lots of signs up but hardly anyone asked to see ours.

Seems like those people who don’t really fancy authoritarianism are in the minority unfortunately. Bodily autonomy was the final frontier, but it seems that people are more than happy to cross that line and give it away to the state. The fear of a little bit of increased risk was all it took.

@SagittariusDwarf antivaxxers just love pretending they had it as bad as Jewish people in Nazi Germany, don't they First whisper of a protest and they're out there with their yellow stars.

On our news (Italy) earlier it said it would be one "land" only, as it's known to be a region with a relatively low vaccination rate at just over 60% with a first dose and home to a thriving anti-vax movement. People will be allowed to leave their homes for work, shopping and other essential things if it's brought in. Probably with auto-certification like we had in the first lockdown.

Am i correct in saying everyone in Austria has to register themselves with the local Police when they move homes and that they have to carry ID?

So being able to cross-reference person, place and vax status would in theory easy.
Only requiring the vax data be added to the existing information

The thing is that here in the UK we can see that the majority won't do what's asked unless it's law.

I haven't been on public transport since this started because of selfish idiots without masks and not giving a damn.

People wandering around John Lewis pushing past me without having the sense to wear masks.

We are a truly selfish country now.

In other news, Latvia is banning unvaccinated MPs from voting and docking their pay

Which is an insult to democracy

I think Austria has a very high level of compliance compared to the UK, rightly or wrongly.

I always think of Austrians as being quite disciplined and disciplinary (don't know why or if it's true!) so I'd never think they'd protest or anything like that.
But in the UK the press only seem to report that everything about the UK is bad but on the continent everything is being handled perfectly. I know they are riots in France, but there are always riots in France! Are there protests across other countries too? And if so, what are they about? Thanks.

It sounds horrible and can't see how it works.
But if it happened, it's quite interesting to see how the transmission goes. It could back fire, if it didn't change anything, it gives the good reason for anti vaxxers to claim vaccine doesn't work.

@madisonbridges
There are protests here too. The hotspot for the weekly protests is Trieste in the north-east, coincidentally where the highest number of new cases are being recorded (along with under 12s)
Our town (Puglia) had a protest last Sunday evening. There were 14 people and about 100 kids pointing and laughing. (town us about 100,000)

I am quite shocked at this tbh but I don't think it would happen here.

I do expect vaccine passports in more places though like pubs and restaurants. More businesses to demand or at least pressure their staff to get vaxed (even though this is legally tricky for non healthcare/care home jobs).

That is correct, I currently live in Austria and yes we register where we live and every time we move house with our local council and it is compulsory to carry some form of ID with you out of the house. I live in one of the states ( so like a county I guess ) where they have imposed lockdown for the unvaccinated as of Monday.
Unvaccinated people are allowed to go to work to the shops and allowed to exercise outside but can’t go to the cinema or hair dresser for example