Plan C to ban household mixing being discussed.

[MercyBooth]

Absolute fuckers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10113747/Covid-UK-Ministers-discussing-banning-households-mixing-booster-jabs-dont-halt-winter-wave.html?fbclid=IwAR1iNfWAFoAJywK8_wUyX04mCsqh3WKDg4ywZjme6fs5I9xqx5r_ppFwSXU

@JaniieJones

'Yep. Everyone listened the first time. Most people listened the second, and even the third. And yet, here we all are. It's almost like this approach ... gasp! ... isn't working.'

🙄

But it did work, because with 4000 daily admissions at the peak no one was ventilated in corridors like in Northern Italy which has a superior health service (allegedly). It allowed the nhs to cope with the surge you see so it did work. If you mean it didn't fix covid, then yes you are correct. It isn't that simple sadly.

It worked, somewhat, as long as people were doing it. But the only carrot to get them to do it in the first place was "Do this now, and you won't have to do it later." Well, it's later, and now you're telling them they still have to do it because allowing them to stop doing it didn't go the way everyone said it would. Telling people they have to do it forever, or else, is going to be a much harder sell.

Not going to happen because people are not going to follow it.

Seriously, even last year BJ didn’t actually follow his own rules and had people at Christmas. How can he expect people do it again now?

But more to the point, socially isolating people is the most awful thing to do to people. There are many other things to do first. Masks in school, masks everywhere indoors. Ventilations in all enclosed areas. HEPA filters. The list is long and can make a huge difference.

On thé other side, there has been many countries who have NEVER enforced that sort of rule (long meeting up with friends and family) even in the ferry first year if covid and … surprise … their death rate was still lower than here with all rules about not seeing people.

Start by paying people who needs to self isolate a decent income. And you’ll get many more people who stay at home when they are ill.
(In the long run, It would also have cost less money doing it right at the start when numbers were lower because it would have helped stop the spread of the virus…)

@rrhuth

I really despair at how shit this government is.

Why will they not reintroduce some low-level measures now, to hopefully avoid the need for more draconian measures in a month's time?

Because they would rather people die than admit they are wrong.

@DoctorSnortles

All those stropping about making a massive fuss (about something that does not currently appear to be actual policy), maybe do something to avoid it having to happen. Wear a mask. Keep your distance. Open windows.

Trouble is, in my experience, a lot of folk who make the most noise about not wanting any sort of restrictions on socialising are often the ones who don’t comply with the most basic and low-level mitigation measures because for some reason they are unable to make the connection between wearing a mask, opening a window, keeping their distance and reducing infection.

‘You can’t make me wear a mask! There’s no bloody way MY 14 year old will wear a mask at school! You can’t make me sit in a draughty room! Who the fuck dos this government think they are telling me to keep my distance?’ etc, then as infection rates go up the shouting and ranting about more stringent restrictions starts. People amaze me.

Exactly. My husband is visiting family at the moment and had been in a long train ride. He said he was the only person in his carriage with a mask on.

We are living our lives and going out etc but DH and I still wear masks in busy places. We are rapidly becoming a small minority in this

Think this is DM clickbait as others have said. How did the story about the Johnsons having a guest at Christmas come to light?

Just the media trying to push the agenda again. The insane are running the asylum. Still, pharma, tech and online retail are making so much money out of this that they can afford a few bungs here and there to keep the neurosis going.

My husband is visiting family at the moment and had been in a long train ride. He said he was the only person in his carriage with a mask on

yes this is my biggest annoyance at the moment. I have ordered some FFP 2 masks for DH and I to wear on the train if we go to the office as being the only one on the train in a cloth mask won't help much.

Even if you don't think wearing a mask will stop you getting covid, it might stop you getting a cold or flu, so why wouldn't you?

It would be so easy to introduce a mask requirement on public transport and in shops again. The British Transport Police can enforce it on trains - it's harder on buses, obviously.

@JaniieJones

'Yep. Everyone listened the first time. Most people listened the second, and even the third. And yet, here we all are. It's almost like this approach ... gasp! ... isn't working.'

🙄

But it did work, because with 4000 daily admissions at the peak no one was ventilated in corridors like in Northern Italy which has a superior health service (allegedly). It allowed the nhs to cope with the surge you see so it did work. If you mean it didn't fix covid, then yes you are correct. It isn't that simple sadly.

Oh come on.

There are many other steps to implement before asking people to SOCIALLY ISOLATE themselves.
This is a cruel thing to do. For many people, being able to see others is essential. People with MH issues, people living in their own, elderly, people who in a DV situation -Incl children.
As human beings, we need social contact. And no meeting up outside is not going to help in the U.K. in winter.

It’s not ok to do that when the most basic measures have not been taken. Not when there is no mandate for masks, not when there is no mandate for ventilation in public spaces. Not when the government is happy to pay millions to rogue companies who fuck testing up (I include T&T and the app in there btw). And not when contact tracing has all but disappeared because, as soon as you are double vaccinated (or are under 18.5yo) you dint need to self isolate. Remember, you can have had covid in the last year and still catch it again. You can be double vaccinated and still catch covid too.

So no. That should be the last measure to take. Ever.

Daily Mail - as reliable a source for factual news as Facebook.

I'm in NI and out measures are slightly different. But for some time there was zero compliance over people in you house and there is no way people will pay any attention to that if they tried to introduce it again.

Masks are still fairly widely worn here though.

According to our local stats most cases are girls aged 10-14.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

I know all these silly phrases would get daily mail readers frothing at the mouth . Here we go again , people spouting Plan B ! Plan C! Just be sensible folks, thats basically the top and bottom of it

Exactly! Everyone needs to be sensible, go about their lives whilst being aware of Covid and how it spreads.

Dh is CEV and we have teenagers so not a good mix! However we take the precautions necessary for us so we get a balance between protecting them, their education, development and mental health and keeping dh healthy as far as possible…

If all take responsibility for themselves and their own behaviour we will fine and no further restrictions needed.

Mask wearing and distancing are really effective and most people I know still use them, along with wfh if they can. It's only on Mumsnet I see these huge swathes of people whining and ranting about masks.

According to our local stats most cases are girls aged 10-14.

Exactly. It's almost like we neglected to vaccinate a large proportion of the population that other countries have already vaccinated (age 12-14) or are about to vaccinate (age 5-11).

Then there is the thread with the mum of a 14 year old boy refusing the vaccine because he doesn't know how it might affect a growing body ...

Thanks all 🤦🏼‍♀️

@berlinbabylon

My husband is visiting family at the moment and had been in a long train ride. He said he was the only person in his carriage with a mask on

yes this is my biggest annoyance at the moment. I have ordered some FFP 2 masks for DH and I to wear on the train if we go to the office as being the only one on the train in a cloth mask won't help much.

Even if you don't think wearing a mask will stop you getting covid, it might stop you getting a cold or flu, so why wouldn't you?

It would be so easy to introduce a mask requirement on public transport and in shops again. The British Transport Police can enforce it on trains - it's harder on buses, obviously.

But if you care, wearing an FFP2 masks is exactly what people should have been doing all along.

It doesn't need to be compulsory for all. Just if you're especially vulnerable.

It'd be counterproductive to ask everyone to do it —we do actually need to breed immunity and tolerance to this and all sorts of other viruses. It's not going to happen if we are never exposed.

Stop reading the daily mail.

So I can't see my family but can come on the bus into the city for work and mix with my colleagues. Fuck that. Did what was asked of me last year whilst the elite broke all of their own rules. Not falling for it again, sorry. And they better not shut the gyms again

However, I do this this is the media scaremongering and based on nothing more than supposition

Just be sensible folks, thats basically the top and bottom of it
Exactly! Everyone needs to be sensible, go about their lives whilst being aware of Covid and how it spreads.

How can you be sensible when children at school don’t wear masks? (And the government is waiting to things to burn itself out Aka most children will have got covid anyway)
How can you be sensible when people don’t wear a mask at all anywhere, not even in public transport like the tube?
How can you be sensible when no one is asked to ensure ventilation. Nit in buses, in classrooms, in offices etc…

You’ve bought the government line about personal responsibility to protect yourself when the best way to ensure that you protect others.
Please wake. The only way to protect yourself would be to put yourself in self isolation. Nit really possible if you have to woh, do some shopping, want to see friends and family etc…

@MercyBooth You ought to know better than to believe things written by the Mail.

@HereticFanjo

Mask wearing and distancing are really effective and most people I know still use them, along with wfh if they can. It's only on Mumsnet I see these huge swathes of people whining and ranting about masks.

Distancing? Not everyone is able to distance. I’m currently wfh due to bad morning sickness but a few weeks ago I was getting the bus into the office. The bus was always full, if I’d insisted on distancing I’d never have got to work - and while I was wearing a mask, I’m not sure what good it was doing on a bus that was standing room only and I’m squashed between people. You can’t distance on a busy bus/train/tube. And then there are the huge number of jobs where you can’t distance, and offices where desks are close together. It’s very easy to say “why oh why don’t people just distance, it’s so easy!” but actually, quite often it’s impossible.

Good luck with that, very few will comply. No point having jabs and staying locked up for the best part of a year if we have to do it again. That ship has sailed and Boris knows it.

@MercyBooth

It would have helped A LOT

More support for self-employed people who don't qualify for any sick pay or any benefits at all would also help/have helped.

@Justcallmebebes

So I can't see my family but can come on the bus into the city for work and mix with my colleagues. Fuck that. Did what was asked of me last year whilst the elite broke all of their own rules. Not falling for it again, sorry. And they better not shut the gyms again

However, I do this this is the media scaremongering and based on nothing more than supposition

I'm astonished that anyone fell for it the first time, and I'm so glad to read that so many people say they're "not falling for it again". Common sense seems to be returning at least in some quarters.

@Quartz2208

it is also being reported on Good Morning Britain. It is EXACTLY how this Government works. Leak out news from an unnamed sourced designed both to check out how popular it is (must not harm the popularity) and to prime us for Plan B coming.

That may be so, but I don't see the point of getting whipped up into a froth about it until it is announced officially- or at all. This is one of the reasons why mental health is such an escalating issue - worrying about things that aren't actually in existence yet. (Ironically, on another thread, the OP herself stated her mental health has gone downhill in the pandemic - yet she has no problems playing with other people's.)

People have different interpretations of risk. So that’s why you need blanket guidance. Then there’s little room for mistakes.

I wish that testing capacity was improved and made quicker to get results and contact tracing improved. Then it’s quicker to find cases and minimise spread.