Plan C to ban household mixing being discussed.

[MercyBooth]

Absolute fuckers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10113747/Covid-UK-Ministers-discussing-banning-households-mixing-booster-jabs-dont-halt-winter-wave.html?fbclid=IwAR1iNfWAFoAJywK8_wUyX04mCsqh3WKDg4ywZjme6fs5I9xqx5r_ppFwSXU

No one I know was complying in March 2021, not a single one - and they were all complying in the first lockdown of course. For me it was the huge number of “bubbles” that kept being invented. People were having their parents round for Sunday lunch all winter and calling it a “childcare bubble” which I guess is similar to what Boris and Carrie did at Christmas, eh?

They know they can’t afford to shut businesses again, that’s a given. So then I guess it makes sense to want to stop mixed household transmission in theory .. but that’s the bit that is easiest to ignore and makes people the angriest… so not a great plan.

I doubt honestly this is the real plan. Boris knows it would be toxic, especially after the “irrevocable freedoms” he gave us back.

I think Christmas will be more about personal responsibility they keep going on about. An advertising campaign to test, test, test before seeing relatives.

@PicsInRed

According to our local stats most cases are girls aged 10-14.

Exactly. It's almost like we neglected to vaccinate a large proportion of the population that other countries have already vaccinated (age 12-14) or are about to vaccinate (age 5-11).

One of the reasons why Spain has right now one of the lowest incidence of new cases in Europe is because the campaign to vaccinate 12-19 years old have been so successful - 85% have received one dose, and 81% are fully immunised. The Sanchez government wanted kids fully immunised before the school year and has had an enormous effect.

Even with one of the biggest rates with vaccination in the world in Spain is still compulsory to wear masks indoors and schools have been fitted with ventilators.

I can't understand what the Boris government is doing. The pandemic is not over and the UK is nationally only 68% fully vaccinated.

'Good luck with that, very few will comply'

That is indeed the problem. If mn is a depressing snapshot of the population very few complied previously, lots of 'they can't stop me doing what I want innit those stasi bossy dictators'

I really doubt they'll tell anyone to stop mixing because what is the point. They'll maybe say try and be sensible around vulnerable people as we know the vaccine isn't 100% effective but even so people like the op will continue to think fuck 'em I'll do what I like.

@Tara336

I will be spending Christmas with my family. My DF is extremely ill, this may be his last Christmas and I will not have that taken away me. DM is struggling to cope and needs support, she will continue receiving help from us. I complied with every single rule the government imposed whilst witnessing people completely ignoring them, so I’m done with the rules I will be doing what is best for me and my family

I think you would be totally right to spend Christmas with your family.

My family spent the whole of last year abiding by the rules. We only saw my elderly parents once during the whole year because we wanted to keep everyone save especially them.

For the first time in my 66 years we did not have Christmas all together and my parents were alone as were me and DH and both my siblings and their OH's and nieces and nephews and their OH's.

We tried to make the best of it but it was, honestly, a shit Christmas. We had a zoom call but it just made me upset missing my family.

In January dad had to go into hospital for a couple of days. This turned out to be completely unnecessary but in the couple of days he caught covid. No one knew this and he was sent home. He died and my mum who obviously caught it from him died just over a week later alone in hospital.

I am so so angry and upset that we didn't have Christmas together and will never spend another Christmas apart from the rest of my family

'One of the reasons why Spain has right now one of the lowest incidence of new cases in Europe is because the campaign to vaccinate 12-19 years old have been so successful - 85% have received one dose, and 81% are fully immunised. The Sanchez government wanted kids fully immunised before the school year and has had an enormous effect.'

Oh god don't mention the vaccines!! the 'it's my body my rulez' squawkers will unintelligently try to explain why they wont have it.

As most transmission is in schools, without mitigation measures there it's pointless doing anything else

@JaniieJones

'Good luck with that, very few will comply'

That is indeed the problem. If mn is a depressing snapshot of the population very few complied previously, lots of 'they can't stop me doing what I want innit those stasi bossy dictators'

I really doubt they'll tell anyone to stop mixing because what is the point. They'll maybe say try and be sensible around vulnerable people as we know the vaccine isn't 100% effective but even so people like the op will continue to think fuck 'em I'll do what I like.

Why is it a problem that after 18 months people want to live their lives properly?

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@MercyBooth You ought to know better than to believe things written by the Mail.[/quote]
In fairness to the Mail, (a sentence I didn't think I'd write) she was scattergunning Unherd yesterday, so the Mail is perhaps one foot out of the gutter. But only just.

The OP is clearly on some sort of windup posting links to as many guaranteed to cause worry to sensible people, and encourage needless froth (see eleventy billion "I'm not going to comply" posts when nobody has yet said anyone is going to have to comply to anything) as possible.

People want to live lives properly and the high Covid rates make that pretty impossible for lots of people

People who are at higher risk or just lower risk appetite

And whilst they don't feel able to live properly, the economy will continue to struggle

And the UK is one of the worst countries when it comes to management of this pandemic, high rates per head of population, high deaths per head of population

@JaniieJones

'One of the reasons why Spain has right now one of the lowest incidence of new cases in Europe is because the campaign to vaccinate 12-19 years old have been so successful - 85% have received one dose, and 81% are fully immunised. The Sanchez government wanted kids fully immunised before the school year and has had an enormous effect.'

Oh god don't mention the vaccines!! the 'it's my body my rulez' squawkers will unintelligently try to explain why they wont have it.

Err we can’t get to 85% fully vaccinated in that age group regardless of people’s views on the vaccine. We currently have, what, 0% fully vaccinated 12-15 year olds, because they aren’t able to be fully vaccinated. I’m assuming there isn’t a huge amount of data on the long term protection of one dose of a two dose vaccine? Since I don’t think any other country has done that to any group.

@mydogisthebest, so very sorry.
It's posts like yours that the utterly selfish twats banging on about not wanting to give up their pizza nights or wear a mask or give Junior that vaccination that just might stop him passing on the virus to someone that might die if he does should be made to read.

@Tara336, as last year, people in your situation were allowed to see their loved ones.

Plan C is the January 2022 lockdown. It always has been. The government will no doubt have had to plan for such an eventuality, my concern is which worst case scenario will it be that triggers it?

Vaccine wane faster than expected?
AY.4.2 out performing Delta?
Exceptionally bad flu season adding to Covid woes?
Delta making the most of optimal winter conditions and little mitigation’s in place?

The vaccines were heralded to prevent us from being in this situation and yet here we are discussing preventative measures in the context of there being barely any at all and still rising cases. It’s almost laughable to think some people actually believe we would be fine without social distancing and face masks during the winter months.

But will I be able to have my child’s godmother round for Christmas to help me with childcare?

It does not matter what they discuss now they have fucked it because the Great British public will not listen, they have messed everything up from begging to end now they are messing up even more, a&e departments are already at breaking point every single week there are messages from our a&e telling us they are extremeley busy and to use other services instead this will cause even more people to die we truly need someone competent in government and that's not Labour either Boris needs hounded out and to be held accountable for this.

It’s almost laughable to think some people actually believe we would be fine without social distancing and face masks during the winter months.

It's almost laughable to think some people actually believe that the majority of people would comply with not seeing friends/family in the event of yet another lockdown.

They can close pubs again. Good luck with policing what people choose to do in their own homes though.

@Dishhh

Hang on. This is scare-mongering at its finest. I would have expected better from you.

If you READ past the headline, you'll see it's based on nothing but a "source". Quote:

^However according to reports last night, the Cabinet Office officials are said to be discussing proposals which could form part of a potential 'Plan C' if coronavirus cases continue to rise towards Christmas.
Such a plan would see restrictions on gatherings among different households if pressures on hospitals worsen, according to The Telegraph. One Whitehall source told the paper: 'The focus is very much on measures that can be taken without a major economic impact, so keeping shops, pubs and restaurants open but looking at other ways to reduce the risks.'^

This is not much of anything at all, as it turns out.

Literally everything comes from a source. In fact, that is how we found out about most plans this and last year. A government "source" would set out the plan and see how the public reacted before implementing it.

I'm not saying the Mail is right but lets not pretend that "sources" are precisely where we get news from.

I’m a supply teacher.
At a pinch, I could work with 150 different children in a week, close proximity and no masks. If I self-isolate, I don’t get paid. I’m teaching with doors and windows open as the weather gets colder and more children test positive.
So I will be seeing my double-vaccinated family over Christmas, we’ll test before we meet up. Risk assessed and accepted.

Test and trace aren't even telling close contacts to self isolate anymore.

My relative was told not to self isolate when their spouse had Covid. They explained that they work in a care home and were still told to carry on as usual. Obviously they didn't and happily their employer was understanding but it is a dangerous policy.

I won't be avoiding my family at Christmas while this is the policy!

It's a threat to make sure everyone gets their booster.

Who on their right mind wouid stay away from family members whose vaccinations are up to date?

also even according to the Mail article, plan C is not a thing
"There were suggestions last night that ministers are considering a 'Plan C' if all else fails. But Mr Javid has denied the rumours, and said officials are not planninhg to introduce guidance that would ban mixing between households in an echo of the tier system last winter."

If you READ past the headline, you'll see it's based on nothing but a "source".

Having an unnamed source is this government's modus operandi. They just float ideas to see how they go down - happens all the time, sometimes Daily Mail, sometimes the Telegraph, sometimes other papers. Maybe this one won't come to anything if it's unpopular enough.

But yes, it all went wrong when the govt didn't trust taxpayers enough to pay sick pay to self-isolate, but did trust their donors/people they knew enough to give them PPE/testing contracts worth millions - many of which have failed. I'm fully expecting the Wolverhampton lab fail to have been one of those contracts.

I refuse to live a half-life again. If other people are happy to live that sort of meagre existence then good for them, but I won't be.

I could die from COVID? We could all die from COVID. We're all going to die one way or the other. I'd rather spend my living days actually LIVING rather than hiding away, scared of a virus that the vast majority sail through.

I don't get it. If restaurants are open, then surely families can meet at restaurants (assuming they can get a Christmas booking). Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

I don't think restaurant staff are able to check if you are from the same household!

It would be good if political journalists could stop quoting unnamed sources, but as yet, evidently not much has changed.