Vaccinated v Unvaccinated in hospital

[beckypv]

I was just wondering what the numbers were of vaccinated v unvaccinated covid patients in hospital were. It made me wonder, if we had 100% vaccination, and covid is allowed to run free, would the nhs be able to cope? I know vaccination doesn’t always stop hospital admission but does it stop it enough that if infection figures were at 200k a day, would hospital admissions still be at a manageable level? The flip side of this, is I was wondering if everyone was vaccinated would that stop the government having to ponder introducing new measures of cases continue to rise?? ie. Would 99% 12+ (allowing for those who medically can’t) jabbed enable us to be free again?

www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
There's a very good article from Yale updated 6 days ago with the latest actual studies on the efficacy of the various vaccines.
As you can see, in trials last year the efficacy was high, then with more people given the jabs in the general rollout it dipped a bit, to rise again later.

Looks like efficacy is higher than many of the cautious UK studies think. All good.

@sleepwouldbenice

I would genuinely like to know what the main reasons are for not having vaccine

I would have no problem with vaccine passports with a free alternative eg twice weekly testing

Mental or physical concern with having jab? As long as they are talking to qualified individuals about it rather than worrying unnecessarily, can't see why anyone would argue with their reasons, and they would have an alternative. Appreciate this wouldn't work for all, but for many it would

Haven't got round to being vaccinated? Well they probably will do if they have to test instead. Therefore vaccine uptake increases. Good result

Believe a load of online crap about vaccine effectiveness ? Your problem. But get a test instead or be excluded

Will be interested to see how it works out

I would guess that a large amount have no fear of catching the virus considering the exceptionally high survival rate.

@Peanut0583

“Why can’t we just let people make their own decision and get on with life?”

Not sure why you still don’t understand why this is not possible?

If everyone was like you we’d be in a worse place than we are now!

@Whyevencare

It’s the knock on effect in other areas though.

If you were unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer for example or need surgery, thus could be disrupted if covid patients were taking over in hospitals or if there were limited staffing levels due to sickness or having to isolate or if their kids were unwell.

To get a full benefit from the vaccination programme, ie to get back to near normal, relies on a large proportion of the population being fully vaccinated. It isn’t an individual decision.

I’m not sure why people still don’t get this!

@Peanut0583

My kids have had all their childhood vaccines

Wow, this script is STILL running?

My friend works in A&E and I hear a lot of vaccine injury stories, some are horrific and vastly underreported. Example - at our local hospital there have been 52 covid deaths since January, but 150 patients admitted with vaccine injury.

This is a lie. You are lying.

@mnhq I thought you were cracking down on outright lies in this topic?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

It it absolutely not the fault of those who have not had any injections

Maybe, maybe not, but in the drive to get everyone and their dog jabbed that's the way it could easily be presented

Ditto if vaccine pasports are finally brought in and the non-jabbed are refused access to this and that
Which could get interesting ...

We have Covid certificates here on mainland Europe. In my country you qualify for one if you either have been fully vaccinated or have had a formal (not at home) lateral flow within 48 hours or have recovered recently. It’s doable.

BudgeSquare Sorry to disappoint you but it’s not a lie. It was information gained from the hospital trust under the freedom of information act. So unless the hospital trust is lying these figures are correct. I’m not why you are resorting to calling me a liar just because you don’t like what I’m saying. Somebody asked the question why people aren’t being vaccinated and I have answered. The level of aggression on here is another level. Covid has sent people crazy.

@Peanut0583 Name the hospital.

As with everything Covid, the media attempts at using 'data' are incompetent at best and deliberately misleading at worst. To get a meaningful answer requires hard graft but also information which is simply not forthcoming as the 'it's the fault of the unvaxxed' is the current govt narrative and must be pushed at all costs. In brief, the issue is 'shit data in, shit data out'. So just for starters, you would need to look at age profile, health profile, reasons for admission, number of PCRs taken. I could go on, but start with ONS, then look at base numbers relating to particular hospitals, then correlate reports from MSM. At this stage, you will find that most of what is spouted is utter nonsense that could just as easily prove that most people in ICUs don't eat fennel, or have long toenails, or eat bananas. In short, of course Covid is not actually the 'fault' of the unvaccinated. But it is, as it always has been, politically useful to have scapegoats.
Soon of course, the good-vaccinated will join the evil-unvaccinated in filthy-unvaxxed status until they've had their booster. And on it goes. Natural immunity on the other hand is a wonder. I still have mine after 17 months.

Something tells me they won't be naming the hospital. The capacity for fabricating cr@p misinformation knows no bounds.

@Itsnotover

Something tells me they won't be naming the hospital. The capacity for fabricating cr@p misinformation knows no bounds.

I agree. But it's a very very easy way to prove that they are telling the truth.

After all, their friend works there AND there's been a FoI request that has shown 150 recent vaccine injuries just in this one local hospital. If I were concerned about vaccination I'd share this publicly available information for other people's benefit.

So go on @Peanut0583 . Name the hospital.

@HitchhikersGuide
"Soon of course, the good-vaccinated will join the evil-unvaccinated in filthy-unvaxxed status until they've had their booster. "
That is a good point and I do wonder if this is why the govt threaten domestic passports, but haven't implemented them.

How would they choose who could have one ? Double vaccinated ? Not eligible if you're over 50 and not had a booster. Single vaccinated? That's not enough protection so no under 16s could have a passport.

So only double vaccinated 16 to 50 year old would be eligible for a vaccine pass.

At this point non boosted over 50s would cry ageism when they see under 50s swanning around with 'only' 2 jabs and a passport.

@Peanut0583

Message withdrawn at poster's request

That's very interesting and thank you for posting it, despite the aggressive way it was demanded you did.

I am in that region so you can add 1 more to that 151 number - my friend who had hallucinations after her vaccination and was very ill but didn't yellow card.

It was on the Sajid Javid show last night. They had a slide.

It showed high figures of unvaccinated, and much smaller figures of vaccinated.

[quote BudgeSquare]@Peanut0583

My kids have had all their childhood vaccines

Wow, this script is STILL running?

My friend works in A&E and I hear a lot of vaccine injury stories, some are horrific and vastly underreported. Example - at our local hospital there have been 52 covid deaths since January, but 150 patients admitted with vaccine injury.

This is a lie. You are lying.

@mnhq I thought you were cracking down on outright lies in this topic?[/quote]
HQ are pretty good at deleting. I've looked and can't find one hospital claiming 150 vaccine injuries in any press story.
Funny isn't it, it's always the people posting the invented statistics who never provide a link to their source but always have a "friend in A&E".

@Peanut0583
All FOI reports are in the public domain and on the NHS website in the relevant section.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

It was on the Sajid Javid show last night. They had a slide.

It showed high figures of unvaccinated, and much smaller figures of vaccinated.

I think you need to read upthread as we've already established from govt data that while you are more likely to end up in hospital if unvaccinated there are a greater number of vaccinated people actually in hospital/dying as there are more of them around.

Bit confused now though as unclear as to whether @Peanut0583's stats are from the friend who works in A&E or the FOI report.

@SapereAude
Wasn't @Peanut0583 post with the screenshot deleted at her request? Presumably because she felt uncomfortable posting it.

If it had been deleted by MN it would have said so.

@Itsnotover

It it absolutely not the fault of those who have not had any injections. It is nobody’s fault.

If you decide to not get vaccinated and then end up in ICU, who else’s fault is it? That may sound harsh but I don’t think so because it affects frontline health care providers who have to care for people with higher viral loads, meaning that they themselves are then more likely to get ill.

Countless nurses have said how frustrated they are that people are ending up in ICU because they ignore medical advice and choose to believe nonsense online.

Phobias and other medical reasons aside, I agree with this

The highest proportion of people being admitted are the elderly, which isn't a suprise is it , because they are the demographic who are normally admitted.
The with/because of Covid thing is tricky, of course there will be people who present acutely with one thing but are discovered to have covid, they could go onto develop symptoms that require treatment, but the admission reason would still be for a broken leg.
Then there will be people who present because of symptoms of covid who may also have other underlying issues ( either previously diagnosed or not, think of how many people are believed to be hypertensive without realising it ) that are exacerbated by having covid.
It would be interesting to see ambulance information that describes the reason for the call, is that available ?

What is a “vaccine injury” ? There were people on here complaining of sore arms/shivers etc which lasted a couple of days. If people were going to a&e for these or reporting every single symptom on the yellow card then of course it looks bad. I don’t doubt that a few people had a bad reaction (people do for any jab) but we all know that a&e is always full of people who could have cured themselves with a couple of paracetamol. Just read the statistics for what ridiculous ailments people have called ambulances.

[quote CuriousUnderTheStairs]@SapereAude
Wasn't @Peanut0583 post with the screenshot deleted at her request? Presumably because she felt uncomfortable posting it.

If it had been deleted by MN it would have said so.[/quote]
The only screenshot I saw from her was the one earlier this morning showing the vaccines had a 99% efficacy.