Vaccinated v Unvaccinated in hospital

[beckypv]

I was just wondering what the numbers were of vaccinated v unvaccinated covid patients in hospital were. It made me wonder, if we had 100% vaccination, and covid is allowed to run free, would the nhs be able to cope? I know vaccination doesn’t always stop hospital admission but does it stop it enough that if infection figures were at 200k a day, would hospital admissions still be at a manageable level? The flip side of this, is I was wondering if everyone was vaccinated would that stop the government having to ponder introducing new measures of cases continue to rise?? ie. Would 99% 12+ (allowing for those who medically can’t) jabbed enable us to be free again?

Whenever I ask the anti vaxxers on these threads how we would have got out of lockdowns without a vaccine, they have no answer.

But we’re not really out of lockdown territory now, are we? I mean hopefully we are because government can’t afford to pay any more furlough. But theoretically we should/would be locking down now. Despite all the vaccinations.

@Lollipop444

The telling thing is that once on itu or the Ward, most of those who chose to not vaccinate wish they had had it.

Obviously too late by then.

Exactly

@Lollipop444

The telling thing is that once on itu or the Ward, most of those who chose to not vaccinate wish they had had it.

Obviously too late by then.

And you all gloat about them too.

But we’re not really out of lockdown territory now, are we? I mean hopefully we are because government can’t afford to pay any more furlough. But theoretically we should/would be locking down now. Despite all the vaccinations.

No that's rubbish. Without the vaccines many more people would need to go to ICU. It's bad enough. Without the vaccines you don't even want to think about the things that would happen. Many more people would die without even getting treatment.

“ And you all gloat about them too.”

Not really it’s pretty sad actually but entirely
their choice. Usually brainwashed by the anti vaccine brigade or trusting their immune system todo it’s thing.

My sympathies lie firmly with those who are immunocompromised though and rely on us as a community to do our bit and get the vaccine as they are not able to or if they do it’s not as effective. Unlike those who choose not to get vaccinated, these do not have the choice.

@MrsSkylerWhite

100% vaccination is not possible.

No, but there are 5 million eligible people in this country not vaccinated. I cannot believe there are so many selfish people around! Staggering!

And you all gloat about them too.

Gloating is the last thing I do. Feel absolutely disgusted at their lack of critical thinking and understanding, yes, amazed at their selfishness, yes, and bemused by the fact that they seem to think that they know better than experts in the field of vaccines and immunology, yes. But I would never gloat over someone's bad choices.

@XenoBitch

You can’t vaccinate yourself against getting run over

No, but I can just not go out instead.

Point it, you can't have someone unvaccinated admitted to hospital, and have fingers pointed at them telling them is is their own fault.
There are so many factors in play.

Are you still lying to your elderly relatives and telling them you've been vaccinated when you haven't?

Are you still lying to your elderly relatives and telling them you've been vaccinated when you haven't?

Please tell me where I did that.

@Itsnotover

Whenever I ask the anti vaxxers on these threads how we would have got out of lockdowns without a vaccine, they have no answer.

Funny, that.

They're the same as the parents who didn't vaccinate their kids with MMR etc. Happy to benefit from herd immunity while lecturing everyone else about the bullshit they've imbibed from idiots on the Internet.

@XenoBitch

Are you still lying to your elderly relatives and telling them you've been vaccinated when you haven't?

Please tell me where I did that.

Months ago. You were lying to your elderly father and telling him you'd been vaccinated as otherwise he wouldn't see you.

I think at that time your very good reason for not getting vaccinated was apparently 'needle phobia'.

But of course that reason has changed over and over again.

*Months ago. You were lying to your elderly father and telling him you'd been vaccinated as otherwise he wouldn't see you.

I think at that time your very good reason for not getting vaccinated was apparently 'needle phobia'.

But of course that reason has changed over and over again*

I never ended up lying to him though. And he kept on lying about his alcohol use... over and over again.
'Needle phobia' is awful. Do you have a phobia, or know someone with one?

Usually i disagree with xenobitch on covid issues, but who’s to say that not reducing social contact, not doing regular LFTs and not wearing masks is like stepping onto the road blind?

I’m pregnant and trying to reduce my risk of covid (I am double vaxed). I would be just as wary of double vaxed people with high risk factors eg kids at school, using public transport, no masks as those who are unvaxed but don’t go out much and wear mAsks.

That doesn’t mean I blame them - I mean kids should be at school and some people have to use public transport and have essential face to face jobs (or inflexible employers). I’d just be more careful around them and request we meet outside or ask them to do LFT.

Govt and employers should be more responsible by allowing workers to work flexibly from home if possible. Covid safe (as possible) work places (improve ventilation). Require regular LFTS and desk spacing. Encourage mask wearing.

Or stupidity. Unfortunately.

@XenoBitch

*Months ago. You were lying to your elderly father and telling him you'd been vaccinated as otherwise he wouldn't see you.

I think at that time your very good reason for not getting vaccinated was apparently 'needle phobia'.

But of course that reason has changed over and over again*

I never ended up lying to him though. And he kept on lying about his alcohol use... over and over again.
'Needle phobia' is awful. Do you have a phobia, or know someone with one?

Yes. A close relative with learning difficulties and severe needle phobia. She is vaccinated. She had to be sedated.

Difference is she hasn't spent most of the past 18 months on social media cycling through a list of reasons to be anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-lockdown, etc. etc. etc.

People with actual phobias come up with ways to get around the problem.

When it is part of a pattern of working very, very hard to undermine and dispute every single measure designed to combat covid, it seems very much like an excuse rather than a real reason.

@Namenic

Usually i disagree with xenobitch on covid issues, but who’s to say that not reducing social contact, not doing regular LFTs and not wearing masks is like stepping onto the road blind?

I’m pregnant and trying to reduce my risk of covid (I am double vaxed). I would be just as wary of double vaxed people with high risk factors eg kids at school, using public transport, no masks as those who are unvaxed but don’t go out much and wear mAsks.

That doesn’t mean I blame them - I mean kids should be at school and some people have to use public transport and have essential face to face jobs (or inflexible employers). I’d just be more careful around them and request we meet outside or ask them to do LFT.

Govt and employers should be more responsible by allowing workers to work flexibly from home if possible. Covid safe (as possible) work places (improve ventilation). Require regular LFTS and desk spacing. Encourage mask wearing.

I am fed up with people blaming me for the 4th/5th/6th Covid wave.

I spend 23 and a half hours of the day alone in my house. I go out for that precious 30 min to walk my dog. And some days to get my medication and a bit of shopping.
Yes, my dad was an utter knob about the vaccine. He did say he would refuse to see me if I did not have it. I refused to see him because he is an alcoholic twat.

How many Long Covid disabled are acceptable?

I don’t understand the lack of outrage or action.

The ONS mention numbers like 6-800,000 people struggling …

Will it take someone very famous or close to govt like Carrie getting LONG COVID for the government to start treating long Covid disability with the seriousness it deserves?

Maybe if she is too ill, breathless, fatigued and in pain to do her normal day to day activities… maybe if she is unable to…

• meet and greet VIPs
• shag Boris
• look after her child
• go to work
• socialise with her friends
• cook Boris’ venison dinners
• attend appointments
• deal with loud noises and stress
• stay awake

Bearing in mind she might not improve for a couple of years (ever?) Will she have to wait many many months to access any support? Meantime she is running out of cash, her friends are fed up with her being tired and her kids aren’t seeing anyone either because she’s too sick to take them out?

Will we THEN reintroduce masks and social distancing?

Or do we have to wait for one of Boris’ children to get Long Covid before appropriate action is taken?

Before companies try to force sick people back to work? Sack them for being too ill to work?

Will Carrie have to try to claim PIP

Soooo, blame the unvaccinated for the next lockdown?

@XenoBitch actually yes

@Macaroni46

Soooo, blame the unvaccinated for the next lockdown?

@XenoBitch actually yes

Ok, I will take it. I guess you don't really care why people wont have vaccine. But yeah, blame me... point the finger.

I can't criticise folk who refuse the vaccine. But say that they had to go into hospital, now that must be terrifying wondering if you were going to get covid on top of the reason you were admitted

@XenoBitch I believe that all those who can have the vaccine should have it. Unlike you, I am not able to hide myself away. My job involves me mixing daily with lots of people in close proximity so I would appreciate that all those who can be vaccinated are. I understand that a very small number of people are unable to for medical reasons but other than that there is no excuse.

@justasking111

I can't criticise folk who refuse the vaccine. But say that they had to go into hospital, now that must be terrifying wondering if you were going to get covid on top of the reason you were admitted

Most people not getting vaccinated won't be terrified of catching covid.

I used to meet people in real life and think everyone was alright. To different degrees. I never ever imagined that people were so bigoted.

It's terrifying reading the thoughts of people on Mumsnet, but particularly on threads like this.

[quote Macaroni46]@XenoBitch I believe that all those who can have the vaccine should have it. Unlike you, I am not able to hide myself away. My job involves me mixing daily with lots of people in close proximity so I would appreciate that all those who can be vaccinated are. I understand that a very small number of people are unable to for medical reasons but other than that there is no excuse. [/quote]
I don't want to hide away. I want a normal life. But yeah, just judge me instead.

@Whyevencare before, maybe but many people regret not getting the vaccine if they end up in hospital (or even if they don’t in the case of one person I know).

So many people have had this vaccine now and I don’t think that there is any excuse not to have it any more. The people bleating about it being ‘experimental’ have now extended the time in which they say trials will be complete.

There is no excuse to be blindly believing nonsense about Bill Gates trying to kill people with vaccines. There is literally no evidence to support this at all. It’s like QAnon people.