Vaccinated v Unvaccinated in hospital

[beckypv]

I was just wondering what the numbers were of vaccinated v unvaccinated covid patients in hospital were. It made me wonder, if we had 100% vaccination, and covid is allowed to run free, would the nhs be able to cope? I know vaccination doesn’t always stop hospital admission but does it stop it enough that if infection figures were at 200k a day, would hospital admissions still be at a manageable level? The flip side of this, is I was wondering if everyone was vaccinated would that stop the government having to ponder introducing new measures of cases continue to rise?? ie. Would 99% 12+ (allowing for those who medically can’t) jabbed enable us to be free again?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/13/fully-vaccinated-people-account-for-12-of-englands-covid-19-deaths

Clearly being fully vaccinated helps.

@frozendaisy

Except those figures are completely out of date. Of course only a tiny percentage of double vaccinated died during the first 6 months of 2021 since only a tiny percentage of people were double vaccinated. Now that the majority are vaccinated the majority of covid deaths are in the vaccinated, see how that works?

OP you can get the weekly figures as a pdf download, just search covid 19 vaccine surveillance report from assets publishing.gov
I've attached a screenshot from this week's report which breaks down deaths by age and vaccine status.

3000 children have been admitted with Covid since July. There would also be a need for all children to be vaccinated.

Thanks Toty.
Quick glance at numbers still shows vaccines help considerably.

The most recent figures I can find are from the govt vaccine surveillance report from week 36 (early Sept I think).
According to this the majority of people admitted for covid are the double vaccinated over 60s. However, if you want to look at the same data statistically then the majority per 100k in hospital are unvaccinated. I think this is because there are less unvaccinated people around so a greater proportion end up in hospital as opposed to an actual higher number of vaccinated people.

The data I'm referring to is table 6 in this government report:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf

I should add that there are quite a few unvaccinated younger people ending up in hospital too, but not as many as the vaccinated over 60s.

Apart from the very frail/immunosuppressed and vaccinated, it is mostly unvaccinated people or those with only one vaccine.

Strangely the first thing they seem to do on feeling ill with Covid is go and get their first or second vaccine, but this doesn't help them (and it's scummy of them to be knowingly spreading Covid at vaccine centres).

I've found the more recent report here:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf

This shows more or less the same except as the previous one except it's vaccinated over 50s that most commonly present in hospital now.

By vaccinated, does that include single vaccine? That is not fully vaccinated.
Because based on my local hospital, a single vaccine does not seem to be preventing people with risk factors ending up very ill.

Fully vaccinated patients seem to be mainly the very frail/elderly or immunosuppressed patients.

As is pointed out on threads about vaccinated v unvaccinated cases... obviously, the more vaccinated people there are, the more vaccinated people there will be with Covid.
The vaccine isn't (and nor is any other vaccine) 100% effective.
What the vaccine does is help prevent you from catching it to start with, and help prevent you getting really sick if you do.
So comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated isn't really that useful.

@user7667781

By vaccinated, does that include single vaccine? That is not fully vaccinated. Because based on my local hospital, a single vaccine does not seem to be preventing people with risk factors ending up very ill.

Fully vaccinated patients seem to be mainly the very frail/elderly or immunosuppressed patients.

Have a look at the report. It shows data for single, double and no vaccination.

All very interesting, thanks. So, is it the unvaccinated’s fault if we have to reintroduce restrictions to stop hospitals being overwhelmed? Or actually even with 99% vaccinations would we still not be able to cope and need to have restrictions? I’d like to blame the unvaccinated, that their actions are effecting us all, but realise that may well be unfair.

If you look at other countries that are opening up and dropping restriction yet keeping transmission low , it's very clear that the rate of vaccination really help reduce the spread?

I just read the headline of the stats link. Wow just wow:

"Fully vaccinated people account for 1.2% of England’s Covid-19 deaths"

Is it culling of the anti vax in the main. I feel extremely saddened for the individuals that cannot have the vaccine due to health reasons, they must be really concerned with the increase in numbers.

@beckypv it's definitely unfair, my family are unvaccinated but we wear masks, keep our distance and don't go out to busy places, people think a vaccine is a magical solution when in reality its causing a whole lot of a symptomatic people to mingle and spread the virus which can still kill older vaccinated people 🤦🏻‍♀️

@beckypv

All very interesting, thanks. So, is it the unvaccinated’s fault if we have to reintroduce restrictions to stop hospitals being overwhelmed? Or actually even with 99% vaccinations would we still not be able to cope and need to have restrictions? I’d like to blame the unvaccinated, that their actions are effecting us all, but realise that may well be unfair.

Yes, it is unfair. Blame the virus, and blame the government. Don't blame individuals.

This is from the latest government report which is up until 12th September.
The next report I’d imagine will be released shortly.

@beckypv

All very interesting, thanks. So, is it the unvaccinated’s fault if we have to reintroduce restrictions to stop hospitals being overwhelmed? Or actually even with 99% vaccinations would we still not be able to cope and need to have restrictions? I’d like to blame the unvaccinated, that their actions are effecting us all, but realise that may well be unfair.

It it absolutely not the fault of those who have not had any injections. It is nobody’s fault.

[quote Hmumoftw0]@beckypv it's definitely unfair, my family are unvaccinated but we wear masks, keep our distance and don't go out to busy places, people think a vaccine is a magical solution when in reality its causing a whole lot of a symptomatic people to mingle and spread the virus which can still kill older vaccinated people 🤦🏻‍♀️[/quote]
Well that’s just nonsense really isn’t it. The vaccine is a very good solution because it keeps most people out of hospital and prevents most people from dying.

If everyone was like you and your family we’d still be quarantined.

It it absolutely not the fault of those who have not had any injections. It is nobody’s fault.

If you decide to not get vaccinated and then end up in ICU, who else’s fault is it? That may sound harsh but I don’t think so because it affects frontline health care providers who have to care for people with higher viral loads, meaning that they themselves are then more likely to get ill.

Countless nurses have said how frustrated they are that people are ending up in ICU because they ignore medical advice and choose to believe nonsense online.

@REDHERO

I just read the headline of the stats link. Wow just wow:

"Fully vaccinated people account for 1.2% of England’s Covid-19 deaths"

Is it culling of the anti vax in the main. I feel extremely saddened for the individuals that cannot have the vaccine due to health reasons, they must be really concerned with the increase in numbers.

As a PP said that’s misleading data, as it covers deaths from January to July - the largest numbers of which were from people infected in Dec, Jan and Feb when no one was double vaccinated.

The recent data linked to by others above shows a much lower risk of dying if you are vaccinated from more recent data, but there is still a risk (although no doubt partly linked to other health conditions) - for age 50-59 the death rate per 100,000 population (within 28 days of a positive case) for people with 2 vaccine doses was 4.2, compared to 20.2 in the unvaccinated.

I'm in ROI and our media seems to be saying about 50% of hospital admissions are among unvaccinated, rising to 2/3rds of those in ICU.

More than 90% of over 18s fully vaxxed here (higher than U.K.)

In answer to the original question from the pp - fully vaccinated people are being admitted to hospital at about a fifth of the rate of unvaccinated people, except with the oldest age groups it’s closer to half (weeks 37 to 40 2021 days).

But the vast majority of 70+ are double vaccinated already. If everyone else was double vaccinated but infection rates were doubled - admissions from the 70+ group would probably double, so despite the lower admissions from younger people the NHS would still be screwed.

[quote Hmumoftw0]@beckypv it's definitely unfair, my family are unvaccinated but we wear masks, keep our distance and don't go out to busy places, people think a vaccine is a magical solution when in reality its causing a whole lot of a symptomatic people to mingle and spread the virus which can still kill older vaccinated people 🤦🏻‍♀️[/quote]
Wow you are not vaccinated and yet want to participate in the game of who’s to blame for spreading Covid? I think this is some of the worst Covid- hypocrisy I’ve seen.

WhatsWrongWithMyUsername
According to the government’s own latest technical briefing report by far the most deaths with COVID are in those that have had the injections.

Hospital stays are mostly in those who have not had any injections but not in as much a majority as I had expected.