Vaccinated v Unvaccinated in hospital

[beckypv]

I was just wondering what the numbers were of vaccinated v unvaccinated covid patients in hospital were. It made me wonder, if we had 100% vaccination, and covid is allowed to run free, would the nhs be able to cope? I know vaccination doesn’t always stop hospital admission but does it stop it enough that if infection figures were at 200k a day, would hospital admissions still be at a manageable level? The flip side of this, is I was wondering if everyone was vaccinated would that stop the government having to ponder introducing new measures of cases continue to rise?? ie. Would 99% 12+ (allowing for those who medically can’t) jabbed enable us to be free again?

@BudgeSquare

Yes. A close relative with learning difficulties and severe needle phobia. She is vaccinated. She had to be sedated.

Difference is she hasn't spent most of the past 18 months on social media cycling through a list of reasons to be anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-lockdown, etc. etc. etc.

People with actual phobias come up with ways to get around the problem.

When it is part of a pattern of working very, very hard to undermine and dispute every single measure designed to combat covid, it seems very much like an excuse rather than a real reason.

An excuse? I am violent if someone approaches me with any sort of medical intervention, and that is not just a needle. It is simple things like a pulse oximeter.. I was restrained by police recently just so the medical staff could get reading. A little gadget on my finger.

I am waiting for the Covid vaccine to be available in a nasal spray form, or a patch. But yes, not good enough for you is it.

@XenoBitch would you have the vaccine if it was in tablet form?
I'm sure I can recall reading a post of yours that explained clearly why you couldn't have the vaccine injection. 🤔 if it wasn't you, I apologise.

@XenoBitch

Why do you appear to have a victim complex about this?

Don't get vaccinated if you don't want to but really don't expect your decision to not piss other people off.

The pandemic has been the most disruptive event in most of our lifetimes. It's very annoying seeing people trying to argue that the vaccine doesn't work when it clearly does have a big positive impact.

Darn it! too slow typing...

[quote Myalternate]**@XenoBitch would you have the vaccine if it was in tablet form?
I'm sure I can recall reading a post of yours that explained clearly why you couldn't have the vaccine injection. 🤔 if it wasn't you, I apologise.[/quote]
Yes, I would have it in tablet form. Or a nasal spray (if I can do it myself), or a patch. Just not a needle.
Thank you for understanding.

X posts @XenoBitch

So you have a needle phobia? Isn't it easier to just state that rather than arguing that the vaccine doesn't work?

Btw I certainly do sympathise with anyone with a phobia of course.

@Itsnotover

X posts *@XenoBitch*

So you have a needle phobia? Isn't it easier to just state that rather than arguing that the vaccine doesn't work?

I never said anywhere that the vaccine does not work

I apologise if I have conflated your posts with someone else's.

However, I imagine most people are understanding about phobias.

[quote Itsnotover]@Whyevencare before, maybe but many people regret not getting the vaccine if they end up in hospital (or even if they don’t in the case of one person I know).

So many people have had this vaccine now and I don’t think that there is any excuse not to have it any more. The people bleating about it being ‘experimental’ have now extended the time in which they say trials will be complete.

There is no excuse to be blindly believing nonsense about Bill Gates trying to kill people with vaccines. There is literally no evidence to support this at all. It’s like QAnon people.[/quote]
You cannot claim to know the reasons why all 5 million people have chosen not to take up the offer of a vaccine. They have a choice and some have chosen not to, it's that simple.

@XenoBitch many people don't have the option to stay in though they have to go to work
And what if you need hospital / drs appts etc or have to go to the shop as your online shopping doesn't show up ?
You can't guarantee you won't have to be face to face
Its still your choice though obviously
Im double vaccinated but I still do LFT , wear a mask etc I don't think the jab makes me invisible , just hopefully another layer of protection

[quote worriedatthemoment]@XenoBitch many people don't have the option to stay in though they have to go to work
And what if you need hospital / drs appts etc or have to go to the shop as your online shopping doesn't show up ?
You can't guarantee you won't have to be face to face
Its still your choice though obviously
Im double vaccinated but I still do LFT , wear a mask etc I don't think the jab makes me invisible , just hopefully another layer of protection [/quote]
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here.

You cannot claim to know the reasons why all 5 million people have chosen not to take up the offer of a vaccine. They have a choice and some have chosen not to, it's that simple.

I don't claim to know why all those people haven't been vaccinated but there are very few genuine cases of people who cant be vaccinated. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.

Not to mention that there in an anti vaccination rhetoric which is being spread all over the world with the same buzz phrases and sentiment. There are a sizeable number of people who have had too much time on their hands to get sucked in by this shit.

You cannot claim to know the reasons why all 5 million people have chosen not to take up the offer of a vaccine. They have a choice and some have chosen not to, it's that simple.

They do have a choice, but others have a choice in how they view those actions. I find them selfish, shortsighted and lacking in intelligence. I say that on the basis that they are not thinking of others, not thinking of their own longterm health and ignoring the medical data which proves that vaccine is a very useful weapon against Covid.

@ajandjjmum

You cannot claim to know the reasons why all 5 million people have chosen not to take up the offer of a vaccine. They have a choice and some have chosen not to, it's that simple.

They do have a choice, but others have a choice in how they view those actions. I find them selfish, shortsighted and lacking in intelligence. I say that on the basis that they are not thinking of others, not thinking of their own longterm health and ignoring the medical data which proves that vaccine is a very useful weapon against Covid.

You know all the 5 million then?

I would genuinely like to know what the main reasons are for not having vaccine

I would have no problem with vaccine passports with a free alternative eg twice weekly testing

Mental or physical concern with having jab? As long as they are talking to qualified individuals about it rather than worrying unnecessarily, can't see why anyone would argue with their reasons, and they would have an alternative. Appreciate this wouldn't work for all, but for many it would

Haven't got round to being vaccinated? Well they probably will do if they have to test instead. Therefore vaccine uptake increases. Good result

Believe a load of online crap about vaccine effectiveness ? Your problem. But get a test instead or be excluded

Will be interested to see how it works out

Some antivaxxers, like my daughter's dad not only are militant anti covid vaccine but are also militant anti PCR tests as well.

My daughter had a bad reaction to some penicillin recently and had to be admitted onto the children's ward and her dad was fighting and arguing with me about her having a covid swab ffs.

At other times he would be telling nurses that staff wearing masks is 'child abuse'

Unfortunately there are a cult of people like this.

@FreshFreesias

All the people I know who are seriously ill have been double vaxxed.

Well unless your friendship group consists of about a million people, your anecdata is irrelevant.

@Itsnotover

Some antivaxxers, like my daughter's dad not only are militant anti covid vaccine but are also militant anti PCR tests as well.

My daughter had a bad reaction to some penicillin recently and had to be admitted onto the children's ward and her dad was fighting and arguing with me about her having a covid swab ffs.

At other times he would be telling nurses that staff wearing masks is 'child abuse'

Unfortunately there are a cult of people like this.

Agreed. Which is why I prefer the option of a passport or testing. For most people that refuse both I really have no sympathy with their arguments about their rights

@MrsFezziwig
Agreed. 100% of the people I have known who’ve directly due to covid were unvaccinated. But that’s anecdotal as well

• died

Why if you don’t want the vaccine are you “anti vax?” I’m not anti vax, I’m pro choice!

My kids have had all their childhood vaccines, but seeing as there is no long term safety data available on the vaccines, and at my age and health I’ve decided the risk of covid is minimal. (Plus I’ve already had covid recently and as suspected was very mild - appreciate not the case for everyone) I now have natural antibodies to last the winter.

My friend works in A&E and I hear a lot of vaccine injury stories, some are horrific and vastly underreported. Example - at our local hospital there have been 52 covid deaths since January, but 150 patients admitted with vaccine injury. I’ve weighed up the risks and decided against it but I literally have zero issue with anyone else that wants it. I don’t believe the conspiracy theories, I don’t go to protests...I just don’t want it!

Looking at this chart on the govs on website, there is little evidence the vaccine does anything other than reduce symptomatic covid.

Why can’t we just let people make their own decision and get on with life?

@Peanut0583

Why if you don’t want the vaccine are you “anti vax?” I’m not anti vax, I’m pro choice!

My kids have had all their childhood vaccines, but seeing as there is no long term safety data available on the vaccines, and at my age and health I’ve decided the risk of covid is minimal. (Plus I’ve already had covid recently and as suspected was very mild - appreciate not the case for everyone) I now have natural antibodies to last the winter.

My friend works in A&E and I hear a lot of vaccine injury stories, some are horrific and vastly underreported. Example - at our local hospital there have been 52 covid deaths since January, but 150 patients admitted with vaccine injury. I’ve weighed up the risks and decided against it but I literally have zero issue with anyone else that wants it. I don’t believe the conspiracy theories, I don’t go to protests...I just don’t want it!

Looking at this chart on the govs on website, there is little evidence the vaccine does anything other than reduce symptomatic covid.

Why can’t we just let people make their own decision and get on with life?

"Looking at this chart on the govs on website, there is little evidence the vaccine does anything other than reduce symptomatic covid."

May I suggest numbers might not be your strong point? You don't think a 65-99% chance of not getting Covid, not being hospitalised and not dying is a pretty good stat?

@ SapereAude if you look at the colour coding for everything other than symptomatic covid it says “low confidence - little or no evidence is available at present and results are inconclusive”. So essentially anything that’s not in green it’s not backed up by research - it’s a guess 🤣

@Peanut0583

@ SapereAude if you look at the colour coding for everything other than symptomatic covid it says “low confidence - little or no evidence is available at present and results are inconclusive”. So essentially anything that’s not in green it’s not backed up by research - it’s a guess 🤣

Yes. I looked. I also know that those figures are a tad high, as vaccine efficiency in preventing infection, illness, hospitalisation and death is around 65-75%. I'm wondering when the table was published? Could you provide a link? Obviously one year into the vaccination schedule (almost) the numbers are more accurate. Though even the 65% figure is good of course. (unless you're one of the people who believed a vaccine is 100% effective, which none are of course)