Vaccinated v Unvaccinated in hospital

[beckypv]

I was just wondering what the numbers were of vaccinated v unvaccinated covid patients in hospital were. It made me wonder, if we had 100% vaccination, and covid is allowed to run free, would the nhs be able to cope? I know vaccination doesn’t always stop hospital admission but does it stop it enough that if infection figures were at 200k a day, would hospital admissions still be at a manageable level? The flip side of this, is I was wondering if everyone was vaccinated would that stop the government having to ponder introducing new measures of cases continue to rise?? ie. Would 99% 12+ (allowing for those who medically can’t) jabbed enable us to be free again?

@Peanut0583

Why if you don’t want the vaccine are you “anti vax?” I’m not anti vax, I’m pro choice!

My kids have had all their childhood vaccines, but seeing as there is no long term safety data available on the vaccines, and at my age and health I’ve decided the risk of covid is minimal. (Plus I’ve already had covid recently and as suspected was very mild - appreciate not the case for everyone) I now have natural antibodies to last the winter.

My friend works in A&E and I hear a lot of vaccine injury stories, some are horrific and vastly underreported. Example - at our local hospital there have been 52 covid deaths since January, but 150 patients admitted with vaccine injury. I’ve weighed up the risks and decided against it but I literally have zero issue with anyone else that wants it. I don’t believe the conspiracy theories, I don’t go to protests...I just don’t want it!

Looking at this chart on the govs on website, there is little evidence the vaccine does anything other than reduce symptomatic covid.

Why can’t we just let people make their own decision and get on with life?

@CuriousUnderTheStairs This one.

The screenshot is still on the original post.

I see though there is another where she has named the trust/hospital. Useful, as people can go and read the FOI on the vaccine injuries as they are all on the NHS FOI website.
Hopefully this will be a genuine one unlike the one from a different poster yesterday who quoted made up death stats saying it was on an FOI not realizing they're all out there, FOI being to actually make things public!

My friend works in A&E and I hear a lot of vaccine injury stories, some are horrific and vastly underreported. Example - at our local hospital there have been 52 covid deaths since January, but 150 patients admitted with vaccine injury

Did your friend say admitted, as in admitted to A&E or admitted from A&E onto a ward ? Because lots of people are admitted into A&E and then are discharged from there.

Also can you describe these vaccine injuries, are we talking sore arm, feeling a bit shit, high temp/rigor symptoms, aches and pains ? Or being transfered to ICU type injuries ?

@SapereAude

I see though there is another where she has named the trust/hospital. Useful, as people can go and read the FOI on the vaccine injuries as they are all on the NHS FOI website. Hopefully this will be a genuine one unlike the one from a different poster yesterday who quoted made up death stats saying it was on an FOI not realizing they're all out there, FOI being to actually make things public!

Yes. It would be very easy to link to it, wouldn't it?

@frumpety

The highest proportion of people being admitted are the elderly, which isn't a suprise is it , because they are the demographic who are normally admitted. The with/because of Covid thing is tricky, of course there will be people who present acutely with one thing but are discovered to have covid, they could go onto develop symptoms that require treatment, but the admission reason would still be for a broken leg. Then there will be people who present because of symptoms of covid who may also have other underlying issues ( either previously diagnosed or not, think of how many people are believed to be hypertensive without realising it ) that are exacerbated by having covid. It would be interesting to see ambulance information that describes the reason for the call, is that available ?

I can relate to this. When I was in hospital because of covid the woman in next bed was admitted because she presented at A&E with heart palpitations. It turned out they were caused by covid.

Vaccine injuries - um - I personally know of a young dad (29) who died of a heart attack just after his vaccination. He was a fit and healthy football coach.

Family members - step dad whose got some autoimmune arthritic disease sparked just after his vaccine. My dad and mother in law with unexplained, impossible to find long Covid problems probably. All number of issues they didn't have before being vaccinated.

I myself haven't been the same since being vaccinated - so as a consequence will not let them near my kids and will certainly not be filling myself with more of this shit ie boosters. That it's for me. I'll take my chances from now on.

@Dancerinthedark01 your unlucky to know that many people that have had an issue and how would they get long covid from a vaccine as far as I know its not a live vaccine ? But could be wrong
Plus maybe if these people got covid it could of triggered these things as well, there is just no way of knowing and its a tricky one to decide. As impossible to know
Its a choice to have your kids vaccinated , totally I get that and its harder making that choice for our kids i think than for ourselves.
But if the vaccine was more readily available that do want it that would help.

If someone young and healthy had a heart attack because of the vaccine, it's not because of this particular vaccine, but could have been any vaccine? As I understand, heart issue related to covid vaccine is to do with immune responce and won't be a instant reaction?

Vaccine injuries - um - I personally know of a young dad (29) who died of a heart attack just after his vaccination. He was a fit and healthy football coach.

This is of course, awful. And I’m not trying to suggest that it’s not. But I know of 2 people who also had untimely deaths due to a heart attack. Both of them young. Before Covid.

One of them was 32 and he was the gym manager at the spa I worked in. This was well before Covid. My point is that people can have undiagnosed heart conditions that they aren’t aware of until it’s too late.

My partner and I both had COVID.

I’m vaccinated, he isn’t. We had identical symptoms.

Please can people stop thinking they are safe because they’ve been jabbed.

That’s what worries me the most.

And surely he is now safer as he’s had COVID and has the antibodies in him.

You do realise that “vaccine injury” will encompass all manner of things. Some people visit a&e for very minor reasons, despite the advice not to.

It will be things like sore arm, headache, faints and other anxiety manifestations brought on by the incessant anti vaccine agenda. It will also be things like needle stick injuries by staff giving the vaccine.

There will also be coincidental things, which would have happened anyway whether they’d had the vaccine or not but because they had the vaccine they attribute it to that!

A gem was someone posting on here that they had toothache a week or two after having the vaccine. Like no one ever had toothache any other time !

I have just had vaccine. I was a bit shivery and achey. I suppose I could have schlepped to a&e instead of taking some paracetamol and be a “vaccine injury” statistic.

Cousin had to go to a&e (ruptured gallbladder). When she was there someone came in for a pregnancy test and with all her family who cheered and were filming it. Another person came in because they hadn’t pooed for two days. You can well imagine that people were presenting with shivers and shakes after vaccination.