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Liklihood of another lockdown?

341 replies

JustPloddingAlong123 · 14/09/2021 14:26

Yes I know nobody can tell the future. But I'm just wondering what the general consensus is/ how likely you think another lockdown is? I'm hoping worst case masks again.
I want to start my daughter back at a club she went too, we stopped because she doesn't get on with zoom lessons and it was a waste of money during lockdown. Worth signing her back up or waiting a bit longer?

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isthisok22 · 15/09/2021 11:27

@EasterIssland @Thewiseoneincognito I personally don't know a single person that has had Covid but it doesn't mean it's not real.

Can you really not understand that just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it's not true? I'm not saying all weddings everywhere are the same, but the ones I have been to.

And they are a lot easier to track and trade then a packed bar or nightclub.

DottyHarmer · 15/09/2021 11:41

So many businesses have done so much to mitigate covid; I really feel for them.

But some weddings/events are less stringent. Huge weddings/family meet-ups and many attendees vaccine hesitant or anti-vax. The elephant in the room is the rump of people who will not abide by any rules - moral or legal.

EasterIssland · 15/09/2021 11:46

[quote isthisok22]**@EasterIssland* @Thewiseoneincognito* I personally don't know a single person that has had Covid but it doesn't mean it's not real.

Can you really not understand that just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it's not true? I'm not saying all weddings everywhere are the same, but the ones I have been to.

And they are a lot easier to track and trade then a packed bar or nightclub.[/quote]
I think it's you @isthisok22 who is not understanding it... yes I believe that some weddings have been covid safe and there hasn't been outbreak, was it because it was safe or because there wasn't a covid ? no idea.

But of course there is going to be outbreaks in weddings, same last year there were from bbq or from festivals etc. it's true that it's easier to keep track than a pack bar o nightclub. but unless everyone in a wedding is wearing an ffp2 and not socialising (only with those in their table) and no affections.. you just need 1 case of the virus that LFT hasn't detected and you can have a few cases from the attendees

LFTs aren't 100% secure,

isthisok22 · 15/09/2021 11:48

@EasterIssland I see.... so you want weddings shut down?

EasterIssland · 15/09/2021 11:54

[quote isthisok22]@EasterIssland I see.... so you want weddings shut down?[/quote]
Not sure where have I said that I want the wedding industry to shut down, but that was really not what I meant. Should weddings be allowed? Yes. Are all weddings 100% covid safe? No. Can outbreaks happen in weddings? Yes. Do I think going to work is safer than a attending wedding? Yes.

Is this more clear?

Tinydancer321 · 15/09/2021 11:58

The world has gone crazy. I totally agree with the poster that said getting on with life isn’t ignoring Covid but it’s using our common sense.
Personally I don’t know why the government are all or nothing! Like getting rid of household bubbles is the most stupidest thing ever! 🤦🏼‍♀️. Face it your looking at catching Covid twice a year at most. So only means families isolating twice esp as your more likely to catch it from household members.
Some businesses are taking it more seriously than others but that’s up to them is they want staff of poorly at the same time.
Personally don’t think anything needs to close and im anxious about Covid.
However as adults I think lft testing twice a week and wearing masks in certain areas is needed.
There is no point us attacking each other, some people are really rude to people that are highly anxious of Covid, no one loves lockdown, the government scared us and now trying to act like it’s no big deal as there is a vaccine (a vaccine that doesn’t stop it spreading and I personally know lots of healthy people double jabbed who have been really poorly, even a police officer that ended up in icu). On the other hand there are people who don’t believe in Covid, people who think Covid is the flu or a cold.
None of us will agree. However I do think the government totally missed any middle ground.

Tinydancer321 · 15/09/2021 11:59

Schools are the massive breading grounds at the moment, and it seems many are not testing so the results are not being marked.

SonnetForSpring · 15/09/2021 13:44

The lateral flow tests seem to be missing positive cases toom

SonnetForSpring · 15/09/2021 13:50

No it's not.

In the Alpha wave cases of 30k a day resulted in over 1,000 deaths a day in the weeks that followed. That case rate also resulted in as round 2k hospitalisations a day.

Don't make things up.

I'm not making it up. The evidence supports in. The case numbers of alpha were very under reported. Delta is much more transmissable and more like to require hospitalization than alpha. Facts,, unfortunately. Why do you think the government isn't ruling out lockdowns even when they know the damage they cause!!!! Wake up.

GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr · 15/09/2021 14:05

@SonnetForSpring

No it's not.

In the Alpha wave cases of 30k a day resulted in over 1,000 deaths a day in the weeks that followed. That case rate also resulted in as round 2k hospitalisations a day.

Don't make things up.

I'm not making it up. The evidence supports in. The case numbers of alpha were very under reported. Delta is much more transmissable and more like to require hospitalization than alpha. Facts,, unfortunately. Why do you think the government isn't ruling out lockdowns even when they know the damage they cause!!!! Wake up.

If they were 'underreported', how do you know how many there were?!

'Wake up', indeed Confused

EasterIssland · 15/09/2021 14:56

@SonnetForSpring

No it's not.

In the Alpha wave cases of 30k a day resulted in over 1,000 deaths a day in the weeks that followed. That case rate also resulted in as round 2k hospitalisations a day.

Don't make things up.

I'm not making it up. The evidence supports in. The case numbers of alpha were very under reported. Delta is much more transmissable and more like to require hospitalization than alpha. Facts,, unfortunately. Why do you think the government isn't ruling out lockdowns even when they know the damage they cause!!!! Wake up.

How do you know they were under reported and how do you know how many should we have had.

Im Spanish. Spain didn’t have such a big wave as uk. When uk was reporting 60k/day and 1.5k deaths a day Spain was reporting around 40k and around 800 deaths. Was Spain under reporting as well?

Also rhe similar numbers are being reported nowadays in uk and Spain …

NannyAndJohn · 15/09/2021 16:38

[quote DottyHarmer]@NannyAndJohn , you always throw a political point in, so I am assuming that you think covid has all been worth it if it brings the govt down.

But, what about other countries? Leaving aside the isolators (which are small in number and have particular factors to enable this) what do you think of virtually every single country in the world where lockdowns and masks are not in place? I’m not aware that any other leader went to Eton, which you blame for the UK’s predicament. I watch a lot of sport, and in the European football games (and US college football - interesting!) no one is wearing a mask. Are all these countries much better than us?

Why does the Uk have its own special brand of covid ? Confused[/quote]
what do you think of virtually every single country in the world where lockdowns and masks are not in place?

I think that they're in for a tough winter too.

Though it's important to note that our rates are currently the highest in Europe.

Maybe residents of other countries are more socially responsible?

Sparklingbrook · 15/09/2021 17:39

I totally agree with the poster that said getting on with life isn’t ignoring Covid but it’s using our common sense

Exactly, there's a middle, rational ground IMO. Covid is still here and it's down to people to manage their own risk.

Warhertisuff · 15/09/2021 17:40

@EasterIssland

How do you know they were under reported and how do you know how many should we have had.

ONS data for starters which estimated ther 1 in 55 people had COVID in mid-January... That's well over 1 million people!

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19weeklyinsights/latesthealthindicatorsinengland29january2021

ChristmasCurry · 15/09/2021 17:45

Lockdown was a stupid idea, fine to shutdown mass gatherings of people but the rest was stupid, we were lucky that the vaccines came along so quickly.

Locking down again now that we have the vaccines is beyond stupid and people will not go for months again without seeing family or friends and more things will just go underground and continue.

Also locking down now we have the vaccines will make people lose faith in them and not bother getting their booster jabs as they will just give up.

sproutsandparsnips · 15/09/2021 21:34

I'm afraid I haven't had chance to read all of the recent responses, but, having just got home from work in a hospital I can add some anecdotal evidence to this thread:
We could deal with all the very sick patients who have Covid in our trust if we could facilitate discharging the patients who have no medical need of hospital care. There are more patients awaiting eg: packages of care or discharge to a care home that, because they have a resident or staff member with Covid are not able to take back their hospitalised resident, than there are patients with Covid (some of whom are not requiring treatment for it).
Our crisis is entirely within social care ie people awaiting domiciliary care and people awaiting placement in residential or nursing care or discharge back to that care.
I'm not sure a lockdown can solve that problem.

Thewiseoneincognito · 15/09/2021 22:11

@Sparklingbrook

I totally agree with the poster that said getting on with life isn’t ignoring Covid but it’s using our common sense

Exactly, there's a middle, rational ground IMO. Covid is still here and it's down to people to manage their own risk.

My issue with that thinking is you have to consider the risk to those around you also, it relies on people not just thinking of themselves or immediate family but anyone they interact with.

The fact the majority of people now choose not to wear a mask is the perfect example. You wear a mask to protect others so by choosing to not wear one you are saying you don’t really care about possibly infecting others, personal risk has nothing to do with it.

This is why the government has to mandate these restrictions because frankly we can not count on the public to make the right choice for the greater good to benefit everyone.

Sparklingbrook · 15/09/2021 22:13

My issue with that thinking is you have to consider the risk to those around you also, it relies on people not just thinking of themselves or immediate family but anyone they interact with.

Obviously. Not sure what the ‘issue’ is TBH. You just act responsibly. 🤷‍♀️

Sparklingbrook · 15/09/2021 22:17

Mask wearing where I am is still excellent, I must live in a place where people don’t need to be told what to do by the government.

Thewiseoneincognito · 15/09/2021 22:21

@Sparklingbrook

My issue with that thinking is you have to consider the risk to those around you also, it relies on people not just thinking of themselves or immediate family but anyone they interact with.

Obviously. Not sure what the ‘issue’ is TBH. You just act responsibly. 🤷‍♀️

My point is you can’t rely on people to act responsibly, because we can all see what relying on the public to choose to wear a mask looks like now. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Thewiseoneincognito · 15/09/2021 22:23

@Sparklingbrook visit any of the NW cities, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, hardly anyone wears them it’s shocking.

Sparklingbrook · 15/09/2021 22:23

I don’t see your point.

Sparklingbrook · 15/09/2021 22:25

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@Sparklingbrook visit any of the NW cities, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, hardly anyone wears them it’s shocking.[/quote]
I went to Chester and there were people in masks everywhere.

Thewiseoneincognito · 15/09/2021 22:40

@Sparklingbrook

I don’t see your point.
You don’t or won’t see it? 🙄
Sparklingbrook · 15/09/2021 22:45

Don’t 🙄

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