People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

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I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

Because every group likes to think they are "better" than the other group.

Leave v Remain
Eco warriors v climate change deniers
Left wing v right wing
White collar geeks v labourers
Tiger mums v hippy mums
Botox plastics v naturals
SAHParents v working parents

The list is endless, it's just another, the current subject of, "we're better than you".

@CoopsMalloops

I find it incredibly worrying how many people who have decided to take this experimental mRNA vaccine, are deluded into believing they are virtuous and intelligent.

Does it not worry you, when you see the outrageous coercion in the media? The frightening propaganda? Does it not make you stop and think for one second “what on earth is this about”.

The vaccine was created for high risk people. There is no need to mass vaccination of healthy people, and people who have already had this virus.
We do not know the long term affects in human population. There is nothing wrong with wanting to wait it out a few more years to get some long term data to be able to make an informed decision.

Unvaccinated people probably have that reaction to the subject because they are sick and tired of being vilified and ridiculed for using their brains and making a choice on what is right for them at this time.

I just recovered from covid, was like a cold for me. I am not vaccinated, I caught it from a vaccinated person who suffered quite badly. I was told that “that’s what happens when you don’t get jabbed” gloat gloat but we’re just going to ignore the fact the jabbed person got it and passed it on?

Worrying.

I actually agree with much of your post,

But also, why are you happy to take the unknown risks of Covid? When we know people are still losing smell taste and ability to use their lungs long term?

Whereas not a single long term vaccine effect recorded yet but that's another discussion I suppose.

My point, was that to have restrictions as a result of refusing a vaccine is entirely reasonable

And thankfully, a lot disagree with you

@Pollypocket89 clearly not as it appears the government just enforced it!

Whereas not a single long term vaccine effect recorded yet but that's another discussion I suppose.

That's not because it isn't going to happen though. Not enough time has passed for it to happen

That doesn't mean a lot of people don't disagree with it

@Pollypocket89 yes but my point is same for Covid - and we can see people have long term Covid. So we KNOW there's long term effects with that, proven. Fact

@CoopsMalloops

I find it incredibly worrying how many people who have decided to take this experimental mRNA vaccine, are deluded into believing they are virtuous and intelligent.

Does it not worry you, when you see the outrageous coercion in the media? The frightening propaganda? Does it not make you stop and think for one second “what on earth is this about”.

The vaccine was created for high risk people. There is no need to mass vaccination of healthy people, and people who have already had this virus.
We do not know the long term affects in human population. There is nothing wrong with wanting to wait it out a few more years to get some long term data to be able to make an informed decision.

Unvaccinated people probably have that reaction to the subject because they are sick and tired of being vilified and ridiculed for using their brains and making a choice on what is right for them at this time.

I just recovered from covid, was like a cold for me. I am not vaccinated, I caught it from a vaccinated person who suffered quite badly. I was told that “that’s what happens when you don’t get jabbed” gloat gloat but we’re just going to ignore the fact the jabbed person got it and passed it on?

Worrying.

I agree 100% with every word of this!

The one sided media and propeganda scares me. Why does it have to be so aggressive? Why are basic facts not readily available (number of vaccinated people testing positive Vs number of part or unvaccinated, risk of hospitalisation by age, and don't even get me started on risk of taking the vaccine while pregnant)?

Having done a fair bit of research I've just worked out my own personal risk of being hospitalised with covid - 0.0006% (using a calculator published by the university of Oxford).

The restrictions are actually unreasonable if you think about it, critically:-

You can close a school down for weeks with a positive PCR test. You can get on a plane with a negative one, but soon you won’t be able to get into a club, or football stadium with a negative PCR test BUT you can if you’re fully vaccinated…the virus can still be spread after vaccination.

So, we’re gonna scrap the testing, and only allow the vaccinated people into places and events (where they can - and are, spreading the virus) but not an unvaccinated person who is proven to test negative for the virus.

Which part of all that makes sense? That is a genuine honest question. Because it baffles me, makes not one iota of sense at all and the fact that people are accepting this is bing boggling.

Mind* boggling

Sorry to answer your question. I was happy to take on the unknown risk of covid because I weighed up the risks for me.

I followed the rules, I am young fit and healthy and I decided against injecting an unknown into my body and put my trust into my immune system.

Of course, I have been subjected to ridicule and shame from people because I am “selfish”. I am sorry but my only concern is my own health at the end of the day. I will and have protected others to the point where it came to a point where my own health was at risk by an unknown medical intervention. I drew the line.

Most people who I get a telling off from smoke 40 a day, drink and take drugs. I am putting their health at risk, they say. They have decided to take the jab and that is their right, and I respect their decision. I wish they respected mine.

The problem with the broad-brush recommendations and pressure campaign turf vaccination is just that - broad brush.

We don’t yet (and may never, if interest in doing this for other vaccines is anything to go by) have the granular level of data that would allow individuals and their HCPs to accurately weigh up the risks for a person’s own circumstances. All GPs and consultants are able to offer is the party line based on data that is too limited.

For example, I have a medical condition affecting 1 in 250 and another affecting 1 in 10,000. What research do you reckon has been done into whether vaccination is more or less of a risk to me than the general population? I’ll give you three guesses.....

@coopsmalloops that's what I was saying in a previous post just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean you don't have covid I know lots of double jabbed people who have tested positive since but they'd be allowed into a night club freely and the unvaccinated can't be even with a negative test it's absolute madness. The whole covid passport thing is coercion by restricting the lives of those who aren't vaccinated and that's wrong it creates a 2 tiered society which the media , social media and the government are pushing .

I don’t respect people who won’t get vaccinated (unless they are allergic to the ingredients or have another health issue that mean it genuinely would negatively affect them). They’re free to make that choice but by the same token I’m free to not respect them, club and bar owners are free to decide not to let them in, and I’m free to ask people their vaccination status because I don’t want to hang around with unvaccinated people. If you want your free choice, accept other people’s free choices as well.

@TedMullins

I don’t respect people who won’t get vaccinated (unless they are allergic to the ingredients or have another health issue that mean it genuinely would negatively affect them). They’re free to make that choice but by the same token I’m free to not respect them, club and bar owners are free to decide not to let them in, and I’m free to ask people their vaccination status because I don’t want to hang around with unvaccinated people. If you want your free choice, accept other people’s free choices as well.

Oh my god Ted, hold my bag, I’m going to book my vaccination right now to earn your much needed respect.

[quote Tittyfilarious81]@coopsmalloops that's what I was saying in a previous post just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean you don't have covid I know lots of double jabbed people who have tested positive since but they'd be allowed into a night club freely and the unvaccinated can't be even with a negative test it's absolute madness. The whole covid passport thing is coercion by restricting the lives of those who aren't vaccinated and that's wrong it creates a 2 tiered society which the media , social media and the government are pushing .[/quote]
I agree. What we have both said makes sense. Sadly a lot of people have become quite ill from the relentless media propaganda and I don’t think some of them will recover, sadly.

And you spectacularly missed the point @CoopsMalloops. I don’t think my not respecting people who haven’t had the vaccine will change their mind or that they’ll care. But it’s the height of hypocrisy whinging about your choice and your freedom, while not respecting other people’s choice to not want to associate with you or let you in their venues. I agree with the concept of free choice and bodily autonomy, but my choice is to exclude non-vaxed people from my life in order to protect my body. If you’re happy with your choice why do you care what anyone else thinks?

I don’t respect people who won’t get vaccinated (unless they are allergic to the ingredients or have another health issue that mean it genuinely would negatively affect them).

Absolutely gutted to not have Teds respect. I’m really not sure I can go on.

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Oh my god Ted, hold my bag, I’m going to book my vaccination right now to earn your much needed respect.

Pretty much what I was thinking. The pomposity and self-righteous of some posters is really quite amusing.

@TedMullins

And you spectacularly missed the point *@CoopsMalloops*. I don’t think my not respecting people who haven’t had the vaccine will change their mind or that they’ll care. But it’s the height of hypocrisy whinging about your choice and your freedom, while not respecting other people’s choice to not want to associate with you or let you in their venues. I agree with the concept of free choice and bodily autonomy, but my choice is to exclude non-vaxed people from my life in order to protect my body. If you’re happy with your choice why do you care what anyone else thinks?

So you don’t think your vaccine protects you? Why did you bother having it then?

Yes coops, and now they've wheeled Gareth Southgate out to add to the "get your vaccine" propaganda. I'm vaccinated as I felt it was the best choice for me but I feel for people who are being basically demonised for exercising bodily autonomy. It's awful. And I guess that's why people are defensive

If people constantly questioned your medical history and kept insisting your choices were wrong, of course you'd be defensive OP.

Somehow now it's acceptable to question people and lecture them.on their choices. I find that quite sinister

I didn’t miss your point Ted, @TedMullins you didn’t really make one but I know you thought you did something there.

If you have read everything some people have pointed out here about c19vaccination, I believe it is you that has missed the point.

Some years ago I had a medical grade device inserted into my body. It was the best thing since sliced bread and very very safe. Turns out 10 years later, causes cancer. Now those same medical professionals are telling me this vaccine is safe and blah blah.

Any sane person would be asking questions and thinking twice about it, wouldn’t they?

@CoopsMalloops

The restrictions are actually unreasonable if you think about it, critically:-

You can close a school down for weeks with a positive PCR test. You can get on a plane with a negative one, but soon you won’t be able to get into a club, or football stadium with a negative PCR test BUT you can if you’re fully vaccinated…the virus can still be spread after vaccination.

So, we’re gonna scrap the testing, and only allow the vaccinated people into places and events (where they can - and are, spreading the virus) but not an unvaccinated person who is proven to test negative for the virus.

Which part of all that makes sense? That is a genuine honest question. Because it baffles me, makes not one iota of sense at all and the fact that people are accepting this is bing boggling.

It makes all the sense in the world though. People don't plan much in advance going to a club, and PCR tests are expensive, so really it would be ridiculous to ask for a PCR test to go to a club. Clubs can't be closed forever though so it seems the best we can do is only allowing vaccinated people in crowds. It is true some vaccinated people can still catch it and transmit it, but this number is much lower than for an unvaccinated crowd. And the risk of vaccinated people of being hospitalised is much much lower. A poster said earlier this is a experimental vaccine. If you don't want the vaccine don't have it, but please stop spreading lies. You are killing people. www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW

I also think that the coercion is pushing some younger people away from vaccines. If I were in my 20s or 30s, it would make me more distrustful. Even medical professionals are recognising that the heavy handed coercion is a problem.

1 You can't work in a care home without it
2 you can't go to a nightclub without it
3 you can't go to a Premier league football game without it

Does anybody think that is going to be the end of places that will be restricted to only the vaccinated?