People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

[fertilitybs]

I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

@fertilitybs

Perhaps if you didn't start threads about it, you'd feel a little calmer? Were you hoping to educate people who were getting it wrong, in your eyes? If not, why did you post at all, if seeing other viewpoints winds you up so terribly? Do you just enjoy the drama?

@bumbleymummy You are not taking vaccine because you don't think you are in any risk by catching covid, right?
What makes you so sure, that you are not in danger from the virus that's killing millions of people in the world? I hope it's not because you think covid is just a flu.

Hmm it's tough one

@TheFoundations things have happened since I started this post that have wound me up more. The government, people being illogical. Just everything. I'm fed up with almost everything and everyone to be honest.

People not using common sense - scared of a vaccine but also worrying about stupid things that will protect them no where near as well as a vaccine

I just think the whole thing has bought out the worst in everyone - including me

I was less frustrated before I posted - and what's it to you anyway? Why make such pointless comments? I fully understand I could stop posting, please tell em something I don't know

You said you’d had enough of conversing with people that cannot see why they should get the vaccine. My comment was actually very helpful. 😇 Stop posting, stop conversing. Stops any increase in frustration and blood pressure. You must be liking it if you’re continuing when you’re so frustrated. As you were.

fertilitybs

People will think differently. Accepting that is key to feeling better.

San Francisco bars have joined the dystopian, authoritarian society. abc7news.com/sf-bars-proof-of-vaccine-nightclub-clubs-required-for/10910476/

Stop posting, stop conversing. Stops any increase in frustration and blood pressure. You must be liking it if you’re continuing when you’re so frustrated. As you were

Seconded. We al know where the door is. And given that we're so keen on logical decisions... well, it's not very logical to stay in a conversation that boils your blood.

@TheChampIsHere I know I see what you're saying but I know many people that have not taken it that are really worrying because if freedom day. I think why the fuck don't you get vaccinated then? Do you really want life to stop for you?

Over the last few days events have how changed me to see exactly why people get defensive and so they should. They are illogical and selfish and that's the end of it. I kinda get it if you're under say, 40. But anyone over this age has lost their mind.

I know a 70 year old that won't get it but is worried to go anywhere. As awful as it sounds I have no remorse for them.

@TheFoundations you're right so I will leave when I feel like it.

[quote fertilitybs]@bumbleymummy because they are going to need to keep isolating / which is going to fuck up any businesses that employ younger people for example. It's also going to encourage new variants as I said. There's the risks.

Also - for the tenth time - they can still pass it to someone vaccinated who could need hospital treatment and possibly still die. Vaccine is not bullet proof [/quote]
Yeah, I know it’s not. That’s why it’s silly to exempt vaccinated people from testing and isolating etc.

And there isn’t much point worrying about new variants arising in unvaccinated people in the U.K. when most of the world is unvaccinated

[quote roguetomato]@bumbleymummy You are not taking vaccine because you don't think you are in any risk by catching covid, right?
What makes you so sure, that you are not in danger from the virus that's killing millions of people in the world? I hope it's not because you think covid is just a flu.[/quote]
Because, based on extensive data at this stage, the risk of someone my age, ethnicity and BMI becoming seriously ill with COVID is incredibly low. Lower than the risk of several things I do on a daily basis without even giving them a second thought. (notice I’m saying low, not non-existent)

[quote fertilitybs]@TheFoundations you're right so I will leave when I feel like it. [/quote]
Hope nobody else winds you up too much by thinking differently from you. You clearly have a bit of trouble with it. Best of luck.

Hope nobody else winds you up too much by thinking differently from you.

Christ. You are usually the nicest and sanest and most considerate poster on the relationship board. I am stunned at your attitude on this thread.

Normally, you tell people to feel their feelings and honour them; that there feelings are important signposts; that their feelings are them, the truest, purest them. Here you are, jeering at this poster because they have a belief you don't hold regarding vaccines.

Dr Samantha Batt Rawden was using the #freedumbday hashtag.

I think its bloody disgusting the abuse NHS workers get. Pity it isnt reciprocated!

twitter.com/sbattrawden/status/1416906610652364803?s=20

There is no evidence that x or y is a side effect' is very evident in the fertility section of that article. There was also no evidence that bees could fly until a few years ago. Does that mean they weren't flying then?

That's the most stupid thing I've ever read. Honestly.

The evidence that bees could fly was the evidence that they were flying

The precise mechanics were what confused scientists. However, nobody took the view that bees didn't fly because by rights they 'couldn't' fly.

Surely, it's more like saying 'there is no evidence that dogs can fly and there is no known mechanic by which dogs could fly'.

@EdgeOfACoin

Yes, you're making my point for me. We could see the bees, and that proved that the science we were using had a hole in it. We can't see anybody who had the vaccine 10 years ago, so we don't know if the science has a hole in it.

@littlepeas

I am vaccinated, but I suspect the defensiveness comes from people constantly having a go at them and the massively pro-vaccine agenda being pushed. I completely disagree with vaccine passports - no medical procedure should be compulsory in order to live life in a normal way - it is coercion if the only choices are take the vaccine or be excluded.

^ this

I think it's quite the opposite, in my experience.

People who are concerned about covid vaccine safety in light of the ever-increasing side effects and deaths linked to the vaccines, and who have decided to simply wait a little longet before taking it until more is known about the risks and dangers, are being insulted, belittled, undermined, called unintelligent regardless of their education, career, background, etc, mocked, called anti-vaxxers even when they are actually very pro-vaccines.

The hatred and aggression towards those who have decided to wait a while is actually really overwhelming and upsetting to see. Seems very unnecessary.

I think this is no different to any divisive issue in society. The vast majority make their own decision and stand by it and quietly continue with their lives. Funnily enough there seems to be a correlation with a level of self confidence and security and those who don't feel the need to shout about their decision.

Then , on both sides, you have those who cannot accept that it is their choice and decision and with every choice comes consequences. They either insist that everyone agrees with them , throw personal attacks at those who have made a different decision and seek to "win" their point at all costs. Its not specific to those who are not vaccinated. I've seen bile from both sides and neither is ok.

Yes safety and Covid is a concern, but so is bodily autonomy. Both of those are endemic concerns in society. Neither side can claim supreme validity over the other.

I am double vaccinated , as is my DP and if they offered it to my DC (who are young enough it would be my decision ) I would have them have it as well. That said , those were our choices. If I am wrong and the risk medically to us occurs I will not blame others. My choice , my life and my family made the same.

I do not however ever agree with impacting anyone else's bodily choice. I have no say and no right to comment on others choices. Nor however do I have to alter my life and choices to accommodate them. It really is that simple. I have no ill feeling to others not being vaccinated (I do have opinions but it is not appropriate to share them. I have the freedom to think what I like I do not have the right to automatically share that).

Both sides have the groups that have made this not about the vaccine and more about imposing will on others....different wills and opinions same theory.

Like anything else in life...there are always unpleasant , sad insecure people who pick a topic and use it as a stick to beat others with. That has nothing to do with vaccines and everything to do with who that person chooses to be.