People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

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I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

@PopcornMuncher

Yes coops, and now they've wheeled Gareth Southgate out to add to the "get your vaccine" propaganda. I'm vaccinated as I felt it was the best choice for me but I feel for people who are being basically demonised for exercising bodily autonomy. It's awful. And I guess that's why people are defensive

If people constantly questioned your medical history and kept insisting your choices were wrong, of course you'd be defensive OP.

Somehow now it's acceptable to question people and lecture them.on their choices. I find that quite sinister

I know, as soon as I saw him I thought we are really going to dangerous places now. I see piers Morgan is very ill with covid, caught it at Wembley by his own account. Surrounded by vaccinated people and others who were unvaccinated having tested negative on PCR. He himself caught it from a vaccinated person. And some vaccinated people are STILL arguing they don’t want to be around the unvaccinated. I mean, it’s just like a bad joke isn’t it.

As I say, lots of peoples mental health has been affected with the bombardment of false information and media propaganda over the last 18 months and some will just never recover.

@TedMullins

I don’t respect people who won’t get vaccinated (unless they are allergic to the ingredients or have another health issue that mean it genuinely would negatively affect them). They’re free to make that choice but by the same token I’m free to not respect them, club and bar owners are free to decide not to let them in, and I’m free to ask people their vaccination status because I don’t want to hang around with unvaccinated people. If you want your free choice, accept other people’s free choices as well.

More than happy with this set up, Ted. You're right, you are absolutely free to ask, and I am absolutely free to not give a flying fandoodle about answering you, or whether you respect me or not.

How much power do you think you actually wield with your threats of not respecting total strangers?

@berrylands I am not killing anyone how utterly ridiculous for you to say, even more ridiculous than you quoting a fact checkers link.

Again, some peoples brains will never recover.

Yes, hilarious that anybody thinks that questioning others on their vaccine status will earn them anything other than a "fuck off"

A poster said earlier this is a experimental vaccine. If you don't want the vaccine don't have it, but please stop spreading lies. You are killing people.

Are we STILL saying that?

I agree with 100% of your post @PopcornMuncher. It's shocking to me that some people think it's OK to bully others into consenting to a medical treatment they don't want. Shocking, as well as weird and almost cultish. Sinister indeed. Thank you for your balanced and considered post

“How much power do you think you actually wield with your threats of not respecting total strangers?”

What a strange comment @TheFoundations. It’s not about having power and it’s not a threat; it’s simply someone saying they don’t respect people who won’t get vaccinated unless for good reason. I’m in total agreement and would go further and say that these people are very selfish. I think a lot of people feel that way and maybe you perceive that as a threat to your position @TheFoundations?

@HildegardeCrowe do you consider it a threat to people’s health to let people mix in large groups, without a PCR test to show they are negative even though they are vaccinated with something that does not offer 100% protection agains a virus.

Ergo, the vaccinated are going about spreading a virus. I think it’s selfish and actually a threat to my health considering I caught it off a vaccinated person.

[quote CoopsMalloops]@HildegardeCrowe do you consider it a threat to people’s health to let people mix in large groups, without a PCR test to show they are negative even though they are vaccinated with something that does not offer 100% protection agains a virus.

Ergo, the vaccinated are going about spreading a virus. I think it’s selfish and actually a threat to my health considering I caught it off a vaccinated person.[/quote]
Obviously I am being facetious, can you see how ridiculous it all is?

@HildegardeCrowe

I think it was more the way that it was phrased, really. It's very clear that lots of people don't respect the views of those who choose to be unvaccinated. It's no threat at all, and neither is your view that it's selfish. That was my point!

it’s simply someone saying they don’t respect people who won’t get vaccinated unless for good reason.

People who go around saying this just scream self importance. It implies they think people would want their respect. I really couldn’t care less if randoms on the internet respect me. When people go around doing this I just think ‘pompous prick’ and 🙄

[quote CoopsMalloops]@berrylands I am not killing anyone how utterly ridiculous for you to say, even more ridiculous than you quoting a fact checkers link.

Again, some peoples brains will never recover.[/quote]
What is ridiculous about that?

On a personal level, I don't agree with vaccine passports for many of the reasons stated above.

But on a societal level, I do. Anything to get more jabs in arms. I still don't LIKE the idea, but I think it's better to have them than not. It sucks for those who can't have the vaccine for whatever reason, but sadly I think that'll have to be another shit but necessary consequence of a terrible situation all round.

I’ve yet to see an unvaxed person respond with a reasoned and rational answer that doesn’t resort to hysteria, rudeness or expletives. People have ALWAYS been free to question and disagree with other’s choices on absolutely anything and everything. @TheFoundations do you honestly live your life never wondering, questioning, or disagreeing with anything anyone else does? People post their dilemmas on here daily and get absolutely slated. You really can’t expect people not to have questions about your life choices because that isn’t how humans work. Like you said you’re absolutely free to make your choice and live your life the way you want, and I’m free to do the same. I don’t think my lack of respect for the unvaxed will have any bearing on them whatsoever, I don’t think I “wield any power” (lol) I don’t even think about those who have had a vaccination because I don’t know anyone who hasn’t. But clearly my stance does have some “power” because it’s getting you riled up, so perhaps you care a little more than you like to admit about what other people think ¯\(ツ)/¯

@PopcornMuncher

Yes, hilarious that anybody thinks that questioning others on their vaccine status will earn them anything other than a "fuck off"

If you’re so comfortable with your choice why be so rude? People are entitled to not want to be around unvaccinated people - people with clinical vulnerabilities have very good reason not to want to. Why should they be forced to be near to unvaccinated people against their will because of your belligerence - isn’t that the other side of the same coin that is “coercing people into vaccines”?

Ted have another scout through the thread, with all respect there are some rational answers to your questions you are choosing not to agree with them so you don’t see them. Sadly a lot of vaccinated people scream that non vaccinated are hysterical, it’s not a good argument sadly. Same as the word “unhinged” is quoted on here it really doesn’t mean it’s true in real life.

@CoopsMalloops

Ted have another scout through the thread, with all respect there are some rational answers to your questions you are choosing not to agree with them so you don’t see them. Sadly a lot of vaccinated people scream that non vaccinated are hysterical, it’s not a good argument sadly. Same as the word “unhinged” is quoted on here it really doesn’t mean it’s true in real life.

I haven’t called anyone hysterical simply for being unvaccinated - I’m describing the tone of the responses. I do think people may be more inclined to agree to disagree, as it were, if people weren’t saying things like “if you ask me if I’m vaccinated I’ll tell you to fuck off”.

@TedMullins I'm not in the least ruled up, and you've made an awful lot of other wrong assumptions there too. Personal ones.

I've responded upthread with a reasoned, rational answer, which is that I will be staying in a lockdown style life until the vaccines have completed their testing programme. There were no expletives, there was no hysteria, and there was no rudeness. I feel we don't know enough, and asked if anybody was able to offer more info on the lack of clarity regarding transmission risk in different scenarios.

You not having read reasonable posts from unvaccinated people doesn't mean they don't exist. There are several on this thread. Read it through.

@TedMullins you said in your post the vaccinated have the right to not want to be around the unvaccinated and fair enough but you'll find that alot of fully vaccinated people are still catching and transmitting covid therefore an unvaccinated person isn't a greater risk to vaccinated person really in fact the unvaccinated person Is the person more at risk so I don't understand the whole argument that the unvaccinated are a risk to the vaccinated

ted you're describing the tone of some of the responses, the ones that back up your argument. There is equal sweary baseless name calling from those who share your beliefs, too.

Confirmation bias in action

I've found the people who are the most defensive and argumentative are those who have stupid reasons for not having it, usually something they read on Facebook 🙄. I fully respect someone's right to not have it, but at least have a proper reason that is backed up by fact, not "my mate Dave said..." They are usually the people who have denied Covid is something to be taken seriously, not followed any rules at all and not given a stuff about anyone but themselves from the off. Myself and DP have also been mocked by friends and family members because we have been vaccinated and we must be so stupid to have done so (or as dp's sister said "let me know when your arm falls off guffaw guffaw). Respect works both ways.
I know a lot of people who haven't had it for various reasons and in their circumstances I wouldn't have had it either. At least they have a properly researched reason.

Yes, hilarious that anybody thinks that questioning others on their vaccine status will earn them anything other than a "fuck off"

If you’re so comfortable with your choice why be so rude? People are entitled to not want to be around unvaccinated people - people with clinical vulnerabilities have very good reason not to want to. Why should they be forced to be near to unvaccinated people against their will because of your belligerence - isn’t that the other side of the same coin that is “coercing people into vaccines”?

If randoms or acquaintances quiz others on their medical history they deserve rudeness

You clearly haven't read my posts because it is not my choice to remain unvaccinated. If you read my posts you will see that I am fully vaccinated but I disagree with coerced vaccination and will defend everyone's right to make their own choice

I fully respect someone's right to not have it, but at least have a proper reason that is backed up by fact, not "my mate Dave said..."

Nobody needs any reason other than they don't want to. And nobody is obliged to tell you what that reason is. Or even what their vaccine status is.

I know a lot of people who haven't had it for various reasons and in their circumstances I wouldn't have had it either. At least they have a properly researched reason.

Completely agree. To not even bother research something when it could save yours or other peoples lives around you is plain dumb.