Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

XenoBitch

It's very clear you're distressed and I don't think the exchanges help you on these threads. I do hope you find some peace. Maybe swerve the vaccine threads from now on.

@Emmmie

Some of you are foaming at the mouth and throwing insults as soon as someone mentions that they choose not to have the Covid vaccine. This is pathetic and controlling behaviour. Forced medical treatment is a slippery slope for everyone. The vaccinations ARE being forced, people are being blackmailed to either have the shot or to lose their rights/freedoms. . Anyway, enjoy the endless booster shots! Way to go Pfizer! KA-CHING!

Remove their rights and freedom?? What do you think lockdown was it was hardly very free was it! What a strange thing to say. The whole point (one of the points) of being vaccinated is that we can get our freedom back. No one has to take what they don't want to it's their right and I respect people's right to do as they choose but at the same time they shouldn't moan when their choices have consequences.

I feel very thankful to have had the vaccine. My dd is ECV and tested positive (I think it was Delta but obviously can't be sure) she was really ill and was at the hospital to check her breathing and had her lungs xrayed etc. She was ok and has fully recovered relatively quickly but I totally believe she'd be dead if she hadn't had the vaccines.

2girls

Do you not understand how ridiculous you sound? Taking something away from someone and then saying oh hey if you get this substance injected into you we will give back what you always had. How do you not see the problem with that? The government bartering with you for your basic rights. The vaccine should not be used as a bartering technique, your whole comment just basically sums up how this whole thing is nothing to do with health and more to do with control.

It's very clear you're distressed and I don't think the exchanges help you on these threads. I do hope you find some peace. Maybe swerve the vaccine threads from now on

I agree. Your contributions to Covid threads are not helping you or anyone else XenoBitch.

@Cindy974

2girls

Do you not understand how ridiculous you sound? Taking something away from someone and then saying oh hey if you get this substance injected into you we will give back what you always had. How do you not see the problem with that? The government bartering with you for your basic rights. The vaccine should not be used as a bartering technique, your whole comment just basically sums up how this whole thing is nothing to do with health and more to do with control.

Nah, she's not the one sounding ridiculous.

@Cindy974

2girls

Do you not understand how ridiculous you sound? Taking something away from someone and then saying oh hey if you get this substance injected into you we will give back what you always had. How do you not see the problem with that? The government bartering with you for your basic rights. The vaccine should not be used as a bartering technique, your whole comment just basically sums up how this whole thing is nothing to do with health and more to do with control.

@Cindy974 I genuinely do not understand how this can be what you think the situation is. How on earth can your understanding be that this has nothing to do with health?

We are in a pandemic which has required substantial restrictions to minimise loss of life, disability and impact on the economy. The only way out of this is by vaccination of the general population. You do not have to be vaccinated if you don't want to be, but it would be sensible if you could do some reading on why vaccination is critical to getting out of this mess, and appreciate that others are taking it up when you don't want to.

The government is not bartering with you and forcing injection of a "substance" to give you basic rights. The hyperbole in this is ridiculous.

@Garfunkle

It's very clear you're distressed and I don't think the exchanges help you on these threads. I do hope you find some peace. Maybe swerve the vaccine threads from now on

I agree. Your contributions to Covid threads are not helping you or anyone else XenoBitch.

I have no one else to talk to about these thing though.

@Cindy974

2girls

Do you not understand how ridiculous you sound? Taking something away from someone and then saying oh hey if you get this substance injected into you we will give back what you always had. How do you not see the problem with that? The government bartering with you for your basic rights. The vaccine should not be used as a bartering technique, your whole comment just basically sums up how this whole thing is nothing to do with health and more to do with control.

Because there's a pandemic going on? Things can't actually go back to the way they were, or they won't for a long time so this vaccine is a way to a life more like we were used to. It's not like Boris came along out of no where and said he's injecting us with an unknown substance or he'll lock us up. But sure let's not worry about millions of people dying or people losing their jobs and businesses and the economy that our children will have to pay for as long as some people have their rights.

Nah, she's not the one sounding ridiculous

I have to agree. The kind boggles!

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leafyygreens

Its no longer a pandemic.
The rules make no sense. If it was about health then surely a test would be acceptable as entry to large events. But the government have already said only double vaccinated people will be allowed entry. I know of three double vaccinated adults who have COVID and have also managed to spread it to their families. So if this is the case that double vaccinated people can still spread the disease quite efficiently how are they any different to unvaccinated individuals or individuals with natural immunity. They are not.

I’m running out of patience now. If you can get the vaccine just get it. Otherwise don’t bother whinging here when you get Covid. Furthermore don’t clog up our NHS hospitals with Covid symptoms if you have chosen not to get vaccine. That’s all 😬 I am at a loss as to why some people are refusing the vaccine for no good reason tbh. Surely its in their own interest as well as attempting to protect their family members? I’m lost here…

Real life is sure different from on line life. I don’t know anyone who has refused the vaccine in real life.

@Cindy974

leafyygreens

Its no longer a pandemic.
The rules make no sense. If it was about health then surely a test would be acceptable as entry to large events. But the government have already said only double vaccinated people will be allowed entry. I know of three double vaccinated adults who have COVID and have also managed to spread it to their families. So if this is the case that double vaccinated people can still spread the disease quite efficiently how are they any different to unvaccinated individuals or individuals with natural immunity. They are not.

What has made you decide there is no longer a pandemic? This is patently not true and does demonstrate you don't have a good understanding of what is going on.

As we move into attempting to reopen back society, some restrictions need to be kept in order to supress transmission below dangerous levels. It's a balancing act of picking restrictions and measures that are going to do this while letting people get back to as normal life. No one has any freedom if there is an uncontrolled pandemic, hence why this is necessary.

Each country is trying out different measures and it remains to be seen what is going to be successful and not impact too much on the population. I agree that negative tests should be an alternative to vaccination for domestic use, and I suspect that is the way the UK will go as Johnson has no interest in trying to restrict people.

Large studies have demonstrated vaccination reduces transmission significantly, and anecdotes are meaningless here. In contrast, a negative test is problematic as it effectively expires as soon as it's done - you could pick up COVID at the centre or at any point in the 24-72 hours before you go to a big event. You could also very well be in the early stages of infection when you get the test, meaning you'd get a negative result. This is why vaccination is preferred as a way of minimising spread, it's not because the evil government want to inject you with a "substance" purely for "control".

It's about severity of illness not about eliminating the spread. Vaccinated people can and will catch it but they should have much fewer symptoms, much less severe symptoms and avoid hospitalisation or death.
You don't need to have the vaccine no one will force you. However there is atm a young man under 30 on oxygen in hospital the doctors have said it will take months to fully recover we thought he might die. He is not vaccinated. My dd caught covid from the same place at the same time along with other people. She is ECV she is fine and fully recovered in a week. Yes she had symptoms and they were quite bad but certainly not as bad as they would have been.
That's what it's about.

@Garfunkle

I’m running out of patience now. If you can get the vaccine just get it. Otherwise don’t bother whinging here when you get Covid. Furthermore don’t clog up our NHS hospitals with Covid symptoms if you have chosen not to get vaccine. That’s all 😬 I am at a loss as to why some people are refusing the vaccine for no good reason tbh. Surely its in their own interest as well as attempting to protect their family members? I’m lost here…

Real life is sure different from on line life. I don’t know anyone who has refused the vaccine in real life.

I still think it's important no one gets the vaccine if they don't want to.

But when you here reasons like well there isn't a pandemic anymore as above it is frustrating. If I genuinely thought the pandemic was over I wouldn't bother either!

So if this is the case that double vaccinated people can still spread the disease quite efficiently how are they any different to unvaccinated individuals or individuals with natural immunity. They are not.

Natural immunity is only possible if you have had Covid.
The risk of Covid to the unvaccinated is much much higher than it is to the vaccinated.
We are still in a pandemic but are living with a totally irresponsible and tragically incompetent Prime Minister.

The country has opened up now
All nightclubs are open etc the super spreaders are the young apparently who are not all able to get the vaccine yet! Which is why I'm assuming they have put the September deadline on the vaccine
passport for places

So we have at least 1 full month of massive spreading of covid because there are no restrictions for anyone

I don't think we should be calling people selfish or blaiming people who decided not to get the vaccine for a rise in cases at the moment its going to happen even if everyone who was due their vaccine chose to take it or not

Also the first boosters start I think in September over 70's also but that means alot of people who had the vaccine early could no longer have any antibodies (I say could because they are unsure how long it last)
It's always going to be a game of catch up

It really is a big experiment

Also does anyone know about the boosters in general? I have seen only plans to boost elderly and vulnerable people or people who work with vulnerable people
So come 6 months from now lots of people won't be covered anyway?

So if this is the case that double vaccinated people can still spread the disease quite efficiently how are they any different to unvaccinated individuals or individuals with natural immunity. They are not.

The vaccines prevent the majority of the double vaccinated from getting infected. Unfortunately that proportion is lower against delta, but it’s still the majority. However when we have such huge numbers of infections, and the majority of adults are double vaccinated, you are going to get breakthrough infections. A smallish percentage of a very large number is still a large number.

Then onwards transmission from those who do get infected is reduced by about half.

That’s how they’re ‘any different’. There isn’t zero risk, but they are a lot lower risk to others than the unvaccinated.

It's about severity of illness not about eliminating the spread. Vaccinated people can and will catch it but they should have much fewer symptoms, much less severe symptoms and avoid hospitalisation or death.

For the elderly and vulnerable, yes.

The vast majority of the rest of us were never at risk of severe illness. Vaccinated healthy people would only ever have had mild symptoms regardless of vaccine status. The mild symptoms people are experiencing with delta are being attributed to the vaccine but as covid Is a mild illness for most there's no way of knowing whether they've reduced (or increased) severity in the healthy.

But having the majority of people vaccinated also help prevent the spread and the chances of the virus mutating. It isn't just about the individual not being ill.

@Greenrubber

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

Well that's what I thought there's no way everyone will be vaccinated at all times surely

'For the elderly and vulnerable, yes.The vast majority of the rest of us were never at risk of severe illness. '

This is just not true. Yes the elderly and vulnerable were of course most at risk of death but ask any ICU nurse and many of those requiring respiratory support were younger, in their 50s and 60s. Some younger than that.