Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@Nsmum14

I'm not having it. Have had covid recently, I've had worse colds. 41, with a 10 month old baby. The seat belt comparison is farcical. You could compare wearing a seat belt to washing your hands perhaps, but not to jabbing yourself with a vaccine that has never been used before

It's a good job my husband didn't say that when he was offered a new treatment for his cancer, isn't it. So if you had cancer you would refuse to be treated with something new? Do you refuse all new drugs/medications or is it just vaccines?

@JassyRadlett @Cookerhood selfishly I’m also glad that it’s better this time (so far, crossed fingers etc) because I’m not sure how the staff will cope with another wave like the first two.

Yes, it’s a real feeling of sadness that people are going in needlessly now. My husband said that the man he treated recently really regretted his choice about not taking up the vaccine and was talking about it as they readied him for intubation. That’s why I wrote on here, if I can persuade just one person from that potential then it’s worth the time.

knittingaddict when new cancer drugs come online there is often outrage if they are not immediately available on the NHS.

Hope your husband is well now.

@knittingaddict ridiculous comparison. If someone has exhausted all cancer treatment options and is offered a trial then they are obviously very likely to take it to save their life. Your chances of surviving covid are over 99%. My daughter, at 4, was treated on a cancer trial, I was happy to sign those forms, as untreated cancer is 100% fatal. I would not be happy for her to have this jab if it is offered to 12-16 year olds because covid presents very little risk to her.

@Nsmum14

I'm not having it. Have had covid recently, I've had worse colds. 41, with a 10 month old baby. The seat belt comparison is farcical. You could compare wearing a seat belt to washing your hands perhaps, but not to jabbing yourself with a vaccine that has never been used before

Funny how every anti-vaxxer who gets covid says they have had worse colds. Part of the script I guess.

I'm yet to come across a seat belt that can give you blood clots

@foxandbee

Hope your husband is well now.

Yes he is cancer free. The new treatment bought us time to ultimately find out where the problem was and get rid of it. He's lacking a kidney, but so are lots of people.

[quote labtest57]@knittingaddict ridiculous comparison. If someone has exhausted all cancer treatment options and is offered a trial then they are obviously very likely to take it to save their life. Your chances of surviving covid are over 99%. My daughter, at 4, was treated on a cancer trial, I was happy to sign those forms, as untreated cancer is 100% fatal. I would not be happy for her to have this jab if it is offered to 12-16 year olds because covid presents very little risk to her.[/quote]
I was comparing the desire to take new treatments, not cancer itself.

At least if you refuse cancer treatment it's only you that will get sick. If people refuse the vaccine it has potential health issues for those around you too. Possibly those consequences may be fatal.

In any case the vaccines aren't new.

@knittingaddict you compared covid vaccine refusal to refusal to accept life saving treatment for cancer. They are not comparable.

@crymeapuddle

I'm yet to come across a seat belt that can give you blood clots

They can give you whiplash, or even fatal crush injuries though....

The seat belt comparison is farcical. You could compare wearing a seat belt to washing your hands perhaps, but not to jabbing yourself with a vaccine that has never been used before

1. The vaccine has been used before, unless you were planning on injecting yourself with a new one you'd mixed up in your shed like George's Marvellous Medicine.
2. The virus is also 'new', and is known to be far more unpredictable and lethal than the vaccine.
3. You don't have to jab yourself with the vaccine. There will be a nice lady or gentleman who does it for you You may even get a sticker.

labtest57 my husband's cancer treatment wasn't a last ditch attempt to cure him and he wasn't out of options. His consultant thought it was a good treatment to try, so he did, as he trusts the experts. Can we not trust the experts where vaccines are concerned? Can we not trust epidemiologists to know how pandemics spread and that herd immunity through vaccines is the best way forward? If you can't trust experts on a vaccine then why trust them on anything, including cancer treatments?

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Every vaccine was new once. People queued up to get the polio vaccine when it was new and as a result polio has almost been eliminated.

Quite - that too!

Also, polio was similarly unpredictable. For the vast majority of kids, it was mild or symptomless. Only an unlucky few died or suffered lasting harm. (Mind you, I bet there were also people back then banging on about 'experimental vaccines'.)

@crymeapuddle

I'm yet to come across a seat belt that can give you blood clots

A 29 year old man was tragically strangled to death by his seat belt in a car crash

I certainly won't be wearing one again and neither will my family members

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12935466/

I'm undecided too. I'm trying to decide based on my overall risk of covid. My risk of death is 0.007%. I am nervous about the still emerging adverse events caused by the vaccine given how vastly undereported they are. My main reservation is with this being a totally new vaccine platform. And that, consequently, there is no longer term data on it. I know it is authorised for emergency use, but I still feel nervous. I know I should man up and take it but I feel protective of my own health because I have two dependants. It is a dilemma. I think it is very much a personal medical decision and everyone's circumstances and risk v benefit are different.

@leafyygreens seatbelts were invented by Bill Gates to kill everyone off and solve the population problem.

My friend didn't have it. It's caused a lot of argument and upset in her family with her DS and DM who is quite frail. She has now got Covid and is feeling very rough.

They can give you whiplash, or even fatal crush injuries though....

Having had a quick google. Every UK website I looked at states that you are twice as likely to die in the event of a car accident if you don't wear a seatbelt.

@RampantIvy

They can give you whiplash, or even fatal crush injuries though....

Having had a quick google. Every UK website I looked at states that you are twice as likely to die in the event of a car accident if you don't wear a seatbelt.

I think that person was being sarcastic when they wrote that.

I'm a 'no' for now.

I had Covid November last year, I am also on long-term (talking over 4 years) immunosuppression. My decision has been acknowledged and respected by my medical team.

I also do not have the flu jab.

I am happy to have a vaccine that irradicates a disease/virus, that stops you catching it in the first place. At the moment, I am not happy to have a jab that just masks symptoms and does not stop you passing it on.

That is my choice for the moment. I respect those who have chosen to have it, and hope that respect for my decision will be returned.

@Loustew12

I'm undecided too. I'm trying to decide based on my overall risk of covid. My risk of death is 0.007%. I am nervous about the still emerging adverse events caused by the vaccine given how vastly undereported they are. My main reservation is with this being a totally new vaccine platform. And that, consequently, there is no longer term data on it. I know it is authorised for emergency use, but I still feel nervous. I know I should man up and take it but I feel protective of my own health because I have two dependants. It is a dilemma. I think it is very much a personal medical decision and everyone's circumstances and risk v benefit are different.

It is not just the possibility of death you need to think about though.

Complications in patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are high, even in young, previously healthy individuals - with 27% of 19-29 year olds and 37% of 30-39 year olds experiencing a complication. Acute complications are associated with reduced ability to self-care at discharge - with 13% of 19-29 year olds and 17% of 30-39 year olds unable to look after themselves once discharged from hospital.

www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-07/tl-tlo071421.php

@RampantIvy

They can give you whiplash, or even fatal crush injuries though....

Having had a quick google. Every UK website I looked at states that you are twice as likely to die in the event of a car accident if you don't wear a seatbelt.

That’s why the analogy more or less works. Seat belts aren’t risk-free but they are a lower risk than not wearing one in a crash, which is an unpredictable event.

Vaccines aren’t risk free, but they are a lower risk than not having a vaccine in the park event of being exposed to or getting Covid, which is an unpredictable event.

In fact, the difference is that the government requires you to take the seatbelt risk by law.

At the moment, I am not happy to have a jab that just masks symptoms and does not stop you passing it on.
The antibodies will increase ability to fight off the virus; some people may still have symptoms and some may transmit the virus. For Delta variant this happens more than Alpha variant, but both symptoms and transmission occur far less frequently with vaccinated people than those who had a natural infection. It is not the case that vaccines "mask symptoms" (nor if that the case for any vaccine, perhaps you're thinking of painkillers?). Those without symptoms who are vaccinated tend to have lower viral load meaning they are less likely to transmit the virus.

that stops you catching it in the first place
This is physically impossible. Virus exposure to respiratory illness involves breathing it in. A good quality mask can prevent you from breathing it in. Once it is in your airways, the body must deal with it. That can be done quickly such that the person is never unwell nor transmitting the virus, or the person might get some symptoms but antibodies from the vaccine help reduce severity; it's a spectrum. Studies of 7m NHS records to review efficacy and antibodies got CEV vaccinated individuals in the UK showed that only 5 of thousands identified did not mount any antibodies at all.

By all means avoid being vaccinated for whatever reason you fear it, but please don't just make things up and post them as though they are facts, because that risks confusing others.