Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@JaniieJones

'is dangerous for me to have the vaccine'

I'm sorry to hear that. Those who have had anaphylaxis (which is of course life threatening) previously are exempt.

Sadly, many of the anti vaxxers don't fit into this category. Like mask refusers they just refuse to do it while of course reaping the benefits of other people making the effort.

Even a lot of people with bad allergies are ultimately able to have one of the vaccines! It's not that everyone who has ever had anaphylaxis can't be jabbed. Anybody who is in doubt over this should definitely speak to their doctor.

(Source: am CEV, among other stuff have multiple systemic allergic conditions, anaphylactic allergies... and am double jabbed!)

[quote Innocenta]@XenoBitch Why do you believe you are 'mask exempt'? Your reason for not having the vaccine is needle phobia, iirc. [/quote]
Mental health reasons for both mask and vaccine...

Why do you need to know?

@KimmyAndMe I'm so sorry for your loss. It's striking that even the death of a child isn't enough to make people reconsider their assumptions around Covid, vaccination, etc. It's just tragic that there are still such high hospitalisation rates - most avoidable.

@SpeakingFranglais I'm so sorry about your dad. Covid is just brutal, no one should have to lose a loved one from this disease.

'Source: am CEV, among other stuff have multiple systemic allergic conditions, anaphylactic allergies... and am double jabbed!'

Yes sorry I shouldn't have said anaphylaxis was a reason when many can and do have it.

I just wish the refusers be it mask or vaccines (disclaimer not those with severe and signicant medical problems where a hcp has advised them not to be vaccinated) would just stfu tbh. They seem to want validation for their choices and there isn't any. If they said look, I'm ashamed of myself but thanks to those that have had the vaccines and got us out of this mess it wouldn't be so bad but it's the constant 'yeah but no but' excuses that are tedious and of course not convincing.

@XenoBitch I don't 'need' to know. I asked you a question; it was up to you whether you answered or not.

I see that you did previously state needle phobia was your reason for not having the vaccine. I'm unsure why you believe a specific phobia exempts you from wearing a mask to protect others. You may want to spend some time looking at the honest opinions of medical professionals on who really should / shouldn't be claiming mask exemption - you don't have to take my word for it, I am not a doctor, just passing on what I've read. My understanding is that there's a lot of frustration around MH issues being used to claim exemption. That's not to say it's never, ever reasonable, but it's not straightforwardly acceptable either. At least not by those who actually work around Covid!

I completely agree with you, @JaniieJones ! This ceaseless attempt to force the general public to validate paranoia, selfishness and a blatant refusal to engage with real scientific expertise... I am very, VERY pro-jab, but even I wouldn't make it 100% mandatory for literally everyone. (Some jobs, yes.) So even at my end of the spectrum, there's acceptance that refuseniks gonna refuse. But then they also expect us to pat them on the back...!

@JaniieJones

'Source: am CEV, among other stuff have multiple systemic allergic conditions, anaphylactic allergies... and am double jabbed!'

Yes sorry I shouldn't have said anaphylaxis was a reason when many can and do have it.

I just wish the refusers be it mask or vaccines (disclaimer not those with severe and signicant medical problems where a hcp has advised them not to be vaccinated) would just stfu tbh. They seem to want validation for their choices and there isn't any. If they said look, I'm ashamed of myself but thanks to those that have had the vaccines and got us out of this mess it wouldn't be so bad but it's the constant 'yeah but no but' excuses that are tedious and of course not convincing.

I am ashamed. And yet more MNetters tell me I should be denied NHS treatment etc.. I can't have the vaccine. Not allergy, not pregnancy... is classic phobia.. but mine is severe. Is more PTSD reaction than a phobia tbh. I will have it, if is comes in a different form. But not needle.

What do you want me to do? Self inflicted Cat-o'-nine-tails?

XenoBitch

I hope you get struck off

I hope, for your sake, you don’t end up in ICU. Staff are not nice to vaccine refusers, who present with Covid symptoms. There again, part of me hopes you do. You’re welcome 💐

[quote Innocenta]@XenoBitch I don't 'need' to know. I asked you a question; it was up to you whether you answered or not.

I see that you did previously state needle phobia was your reason for not having the vaccine. I'm unsure why you believe a specific phobia exempts you from wearing a mask to protect others. You may want to spend some time looking at the honest opinions of medical professionals on who really should / shouldn't be claiming mask exemption - you don't have to take my word for it, I am not a doctor, just passing on what I've read. My understanding is that there's a lot of frustration around MH issues being used to claim exemption. That's not to say it's never, ever reasonable, but it's not straightforwardly acceptable either. At least not by those who actually work around Covid! [/quote]
Severe needle phobia for the vaccine... and past trauma for mask. Happy?

In Texas of the 9000 deaths since February only 43 were doubly vaccinated. That’s pretty convincing. I’m a nurse, have nursed COVID and couldn’t wait to get mine. I felt safer going to work.

@CharleyChook

XenoBitch

I hope you get struck off

I hope, for your sake, you don’t end up in ICU. Staff are not nice to vaccine refusers, who present with Covid symptoms. There again, part of me hopes you do. You’re welcome 💐

So you are now the nurse who hopes someone does end up in ICU and gets treated like shit.

More reason for you to be struck off.

I am ex NHS.. worked in theatres as an ODP. If I had your attitude, I would not even have bothered applying for the role. Your attitude is not welcome. Not in the NHS, and not in civilised society.

@CharleyChook

XenoBitch

I hope you get struck off

I hope, for your sake, you don’t end up in ICU. Staff are not nice to vaccine refusers, who present with Covid symptoms. There again, part of me hopes you do. You’re welcome 💐

Any healthcare worker who is ‘not nice’ to a patient because they have refused the vaccine shouldn’t be in their job.

'What do you want me to do? Self inflicted Cat-o'-nine-tails?'

Oh absolutely not. That kind of hyperbole is silly.

Phobias are manageable and even treatable .

Didn't you just say you hope someone is struck off?!

@JaniieJones

'is dangerous for me to have the vaccine'

I'm sorry to hear that. Those who have had anaphylaxis (which is of course life threatening) previously are exempt.

Sadly, many of the anti vaxxers don't fit into this category. Like mask refusers they just refuse to do it while of course reaping the benefits of other people making the effort.

Hmmm husband carries epi pens, step son has multiple allergies and to some childhood vaccines. Anaphylaxis is frightening, especially the part where he loses his sight during the thing.

Both have been vaccinated.

The ones who are the most vocal, either online and off, flapping their gums about being exempt for x,y,z are glory seekers. Wanting validation for their specialness and rebellion.

Those who are genuine, STFU and let everyone else get on with it.

'The ones who are the most vocal, either online and off, flapping their gums about being exempt for x,y,z are glory seekers. Wanting validation for their specialness and rebellion.Those who are genuine, STFU and let everyone else get on with it.'

Yes, absolutely agree.

Some areas have 30% double vaccine rate when nationally its nearly 70%. Just depressing.

@JaniieJones

'What do you want me to do? Self inflicted Cat-o'-nine-tails?'

Oh absolutely not. That kind of hyperbole is silly.

Phobias are manageable and even treatable .

Didn't you just say you hope someone is struck off?!

Mine hasn't been for years.. and I have tried! Believe me, I have tried. Not for me, but for the people who think I am worth a shit.

The person I said should be struck off.. is a nurse who wants to refuse to treat unvaccinated patients. Slippery slope, much?

'The person I said should be struck off.. is a nurse who wants to refuse to treat unvaccinated patients. Slippery slope, much?'

Hcps have witnessed first hand the horrors of the pandemic,some have developed mh issues and require counselling to cope with what they've endured and experienced. Not saying the pp has but many have been working under extreme pressure.

Instead of saying she should be struck off try some empathy and understanding.

@JaniieJones

'The person I said should be struck off.. is a nurse who wants to refuse to treat unvaccinated patients. Slippery slope, much?'

Hcps have witnessed first hand the horrors of the pandemic,some have developed mh issues and require counselling to cope with what they've endured and experienced. Not saying the pp has but many have been working under extreme pressure.

Instead of saying she should be struck off try some empathy and understanding.

she outright told me I should die instead of getting treatment

Those who are genuine, STFU and let everyone else get on with it

The truth right there ^^

My dept are on our knees, trying 24/7, desperately, to save the lives of people who need to be ventilated due to Covid. We have absolutely no sympathy with those who have deliberately refused the vaccine. Our job is physically and mentally demanding - doing our very best to care for those who have, at least, attempted to help themselves. We do not need the added stress of caring for those who couldn’t be bothered to turn up for a simple vaccine. I will not apologise for that. Our NHS is in trouble. It’s about to get a lot worse.

We were provided with several vaccines to stem the pandemic crisis. Most of us took it. Unfortunately not enough to create herd immunity, to date.

Those who can have the vaccine but choose not to are to blame for what comes next. Nobody sees the reality unless they are living it.

'she outright told me I should die instead of getting treatment'

And you told someone to get a grip who was posting about the tragic death of a dc so I don't think you should try to take the moral highground.

Unless advised not to by hcps everyone eligible should be vaccinated. If they cba or think the side effects are too awful then just be grateful others have stepped up.

@JaniieJones

'she outright told me I should die instead of getting treatment'

And you told someone to get a grip who was posting about the tragic death of a dc so I don't think you should try to take the moral highground.

Unless advised not to by hcps everyone eligible should be vaccinated. If they cba or think the side effects are too awful then just be grateful others have stepped up.

I was told I was to blame for their death... me? lol ffs.. I don't leave my house. But yet I am killing people up n down the country.

XenoBitch
she outright told me I should die instead of getting treatment

Who said you should die? Link please?

Weren’t you the one who said you have waived your right to NHS treatment? If so what are you complaining about?

@XenoBitch, I’m not going to comment on your vaccine/mask choices. I hope you find some peace. 💐

I'm sorry you feel like that @xenobitch. Maybe stay away from vaccine threads .