Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

This is just not true. Yes the elderly and vulnerable were of course most at risk of death but ask any ICU nurse and many of those requiring respiratory support were younger, in their 50s and 60s. Some younger than that.

Yes, and they were in the minority amongst that age group were they not? Most healthy people regardless of age or vaccine status will not die or require hospital treatment. That is a fact. Hence why I said majority, not all. It would be more helpful to know the health status. Were they all healthy living individuals with good diets, sticking to recommended alcohol consumption/daily exercise recommendations? I somehow highly doubt it, its more likely most (not all) had comorbidities or less than healthy lifestyles.
Bit like those newspaper photos of 30 year olds in intensive care, everyone I saw looked extremely obese. Age alone is not a great indication of how ill you might end up. Plenty healthy 80 year olds only getting a very mild illness and recovering well.

I assume it's just one of those things they can't predict either way - so they're just going to hold their breath and pray like fuck that it works and most people's immune systems learn to deal with it through regular exposure.

Presumably our kids will be largely OK when they grow up, as they'll have had a lifetime of exposure. Or if not OK, they'll at least be better off than us. We'll just sort of limp along, and will qualify for regular boosters once we hit a certain age.

It goes without saying, free annual boosters for everyone is not sustainable unless there are massive changes. If it turns out we do need them, they will start charging.

The above was in response to @Greenrubber btw.

Totally agree

It goes without saying, free annual boosters for everyone is not sustainable unless there are massive changes. If it turns out we do need them, they will start charging.

Does it go without saying though - if we’re talking from a cost perspective? In terms of costs vs savings to NHS a Covid booster would probably fall into the same equation basket as the flu vaccine where there are around 17 million a year given. Given hospitalisation levels among younger people with Delta there may well be an argument for universality depending on where infection levels stabilise for endemic disease.

And if a Covid booster could be given alongside flu vaccine for the vulnerable, that would lower the costs further. Take up would be much more of an issue.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/22/us-coronavirus-covid-unvaccinated-hospital-rates-vaccines

Anyone having side effects from the vaccine(s) should be reporting these via the yellow card system.

coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

@JassyRadlett don't make the mistake of assuming I've thought this through in any depth But I wouldn't be surprised if they started out low-ish (£5-10, say?) to see what the take-up rate is. No sense giving something away if people will pay for it, that's the Tory manifesto.

No sense giving something away if people will pay for it, that's the Tory manifesto..

I reckon the populism will override it for this lot, at least for 5 years… it’ll be hard to get rid of without being absolutely murdered politically.

I mean they will probably try to find a way to make delivery 5x more expensive than it needs to be by lining their mates’ pockets though.

The unvaccinated need to be vaccinated because the vaccine does not stop transmission and they might infect themselves once they have had the vaccine, so they need to get vaccinated.