96 dead today...

[Homeontherangeuk]

But Boris knows what he's doing...

5 people under the age of 60, I like those odds. Tragic as every death is, I am more than happy to risk life on the outside.

96 deaths reported today. Will take a few days to know how many deaths occured today.

@duffeldaisy

It's not only elderly, frail people dying. (Though they do make the majority). Today there were 5 people under the age of 60, and it's increasing all the time. Yes, it's low figures, but it's not acceptable.

0-9: 0% (0)
10-19: 0% (0)
20-29: 3.13% (1)
30-39: 3.13% (1)
40-49: 3.13% (1)
50-59: 6.25% (2)
60-69: 9.38% (3)
70-79: 25.00% (8)
80-89: 37.50% (12)
90+: 12.50% (4)

What do you mean by "not acceptable" are all the other reasons that younger people die OK? How many under 60s died yesterday because they couldn't access the health care they needed?

I'm sure a knowledgable person will know the answer to that but just off the top of my head I'm going to say that it was a number a little higher than 5.

Are you a zero covid death advocate? Do you seriously think that's a realistic option?

"5 people under the age of 60, I like those odds. Tragic as every death is, I am more than happy to risk life on the outside."
Deaths are up 92% on the same day last week. If it keeps doing that then they could get a lot higher quite quickly. Plus, that's not even factoring in long covid.
Yes, take risks you're happy with, but I'd be ever so careful right now - more than before all this opened up.

96 isn't that bad on a national level even though very sad for the individuals and their families, the worrying thing is the increase and whether this upward trend of hospitalization will continue to a level where hospitals are unable to cope. That is what would lead to another lockdown.

That's why our Red (Republican) states are dying like flies here in the USA...they've politicized COVID-19, and made not wearing a mask or socially distancing AT ALL a political statement.

This is a very unpleasant comment to read.

The highest fatality rates in the US are in deprived communities and among black and hispanic demographics. Most of those people are democratic voters.

The same applies to vaccine hesitancy.

@Fairyliz

Surely this must mean the vaccine isn’t working!!! On July 19th 2020 no one had been vaccinated and less people had had Covid so no natural immunity. Yet the deaths then were on 26. Still awful but not as bad. So does the vaccine work or do we just have to take our chance?

Where have you got the idea that a pandemic runs in accordance with our calendar? Comparing dates is absolutely meaningless

You'd have to live at the back of a very dark cave not to know that the vaccines are effective. There is a whole world of confirmation handily at your finger tips via the interenet. I can't decide if you are being deliberately stupid for some reason

96 is a teeny amount!

@TheGenealogist yes afraid so......

Yes, I do think zero covid is, potentially, possible - though possibly not in this country now because of how entrenched people have become.
But of course it's possible to get it down to zero. We did that for polio, for a whole load of dangerous diseases, and other countries are doing a good job in containing it.

If you let it run rampant then there will not be staff to do these other hospital operations. Vulnerable patients - eg those having chemo who otherwise would have survived and regained health - will die because their immunity is down.
We can't live with it. No other country, other than Brazil, is going down this route. It's utter madness not to do everything we can to limit cases to a point where then we can actually live freely again.

To those asking about options, if not now, when? Etc - how about this? Do the work over the SIXTEEN MONTHS that have just passed to stop the NHS being unable to cope AND publish results of testing from football matches, Wimbledon and so on where crowds gathered

It seems to me that very little has been done in this respect. That’s what’s far more worrying. Yes, we’re vaccinating people, but literally nothing else. That being the case, does opening up make sense. Absolutely not

@duffeldaisy

"It's either get it out the way now or spread it over months. The NHS is very unlikely to be overwhelmed if we do it now so there is no sense I delaying."

If you look at the figures today, there was a death in each bracket of 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s (and then more as ages go up). I think it's the third day running of having someone in their thirties die.

If you follow this way of thinking, then it's saying that a person with potentially a lot of life to live is going to die if they get it, so they might as well die now, rather than have another 6 months of life - or rather than possibly not die because in another 6 months we could have vaccinated more people?

It's being repeated everywhere at the moment, that we just need to get used to the deaths, and we don't have this attitude for anything else. We try to extend life where we can, we try to avoid excess deaths.

Just another couple of months of vaccinating could mean the difference between life and death for thousands and thousands of people.

We absolutely do have this attitude to other things. We could completely ban alcohol.and smoking and save countless lives.... why don't we just do this then?? Or ban cars and save lives their. Or ban swimming and save lives their...

All of these things have a risk of death that is acceptable to the wider society.

Every time I say that there isn't anyone that can give a good answer.

There*

I accept this is a harsh view that some people won't like, but I do think that unless the NHS is in danger of being overwhelmed we need to carry on with opening up.

We need to accept that thousands of people will die from Covid each year like thousands die from flu. Many many more die from cancer, heart disease and dementia. It's horrible, but we cannot keep disrupting education and not living our lives.

@duffeldaisy

Yes, I do think zero covid is, potentially, possible - though possibly not in this country now because of how entrenched people have become. But of course it's possible to get it down to zero. We did that for polio, for a whole load of dangerous diseases, and other countries are doing a good job in containing it.

If you let it run rampant then there will not be staff to do these other hospital operations. Vulnerable patients - eg those having chemo who otherwise would have survived and regained health - will die because their immunity is down.
We can't live with it. No other country, other than Brazil, is going down this route. It's utter madness not to do everything we can to limit cases to a point where then we can actually live freely again.

Which countries? All the places which seemed to do okay in the first wave appear to be suffering now.

Also how can we have zero covid if even the vaccines don't stop you getting covid?

@GlutenFreeGingerCake

96 isn't that bad on a national level even though very sad for the individuals and their families, the worrying thing is the increase and whether this upward trend of hospitalization will continue to a level where hospitals are unable to cope. That is what would lead to another lockdown.

Whilst I agree that it's something we need to keep an eye on. At the winter peak there were 40k people in hospital. There are currently 10 times less than that with an average of 4k being discharged every week too.

Yes it's something we need to keep an eye on but even the worst case scenario modelling doesn't put hospital occupancy to where we were before.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 but last July there weren't 46k cases per day, we're there???

Your right there wasn’t but we had come out of the 1st wave now we are in the middle of the 3rd . Look at the cases/deaths in April 2020 / January 2021

One person dies of heart disease every 3 minutes. 460 per day. Every day.

You care about that right?

You all remain a healthy weight and don't smoke or drink to excess right?

I think the media need to report hospitalisations AND discharges. We don't need to be reporting deaths. We don't for anything else!

For all those who want to live a life locked down and masked then please go ahead.
I’m done being nice to people who make statements like this. You have actual shit for brains if you honestly think people want this to continue. No doubt that comment will get deleted for being “abusive”

All your statement said was “fuck the vulnerable and fuck those who can’t medically get the vaccine. Fuck those not doubled jabbed yet because appointments have been impossible to get, fuck the pregnant and a massive fuck you to children over 12 who are now being told they’re at risk from the new variant. You’ve not been locked down for fucking ages so stop with the hyperbole.

All along this was about “protecting the nhs” now people are so short sighted they’re failing to realise that while deaths may be “teeny” (fucking offensive to those have died but whatever gets you through the day) cases are rising. That means NHS is going to br overwhelmed again because of lack of staff, maternity wards are being left short staffed because it’s deemed as “not important” and staff are needed elsewhere. Cancer patients and transplant patients are being told they can’t have lifesaving operations because of staff shortages. Independent shops that have been desperate to reopen are closing for weeks because they’re staff are having to isolate, not wearing masks won’t help any of this so expect to see that more.

“Let the bodies pile high” … our disgusting PM. The bleach and coke has rotted his brain but what is your excuse?

@duffeldaisy

Yes, I do think zero covid is, potentially, possible - though possibly not in this country now because of how entrenched people have become. But of course it's possible to get it down to zero. We did that for polio, for a whole load of dangerous diseases, and other countries are doing a good job in containing it.

If you let it run rampant then there will not be staff to do these other hospital operations. Vulnerable patients - eg those having chemo who otherwise would have survived and regained health - will die because their immunity is down.
We can't live with it. No other country, other than Brazil, is going down this route. It's utter madness not to do everything we can to limit cases to a point where then we can actually live freely again.

Who is doing a good job of containing Delta though?

The original and Alpha yes I think quite a lot did - but Delta? And those who are seemingly doing better how much are they actually and how much are they just behind the curve?

What restrictions does Spain/France etc have at the moment other than masks?

"Also how can we have zero covid if even the vaccines don't stop you getting covid? confused"

That is exactly the point! That's where proper, full lockdowns, track and trace, financial support for those isolating, investment in air filtration, people wearing masks for each other, etc etc comes in!!!

[quote newnortherner111]@squiglet111 I am sure we could leave almost normal lives if face coverings in some situations remained, and some large capacity limits to prevent super spreading. Old Trafford only a quarter fill would still be enough for all local supporters of Manchester United.[/quote]
Yes. I do want to see what numbers are like one everyone that wants has had the second jab. Hoping that will help things. Something it seems like the gov have forgotten that not everyone is vaccinated before deciding to go back to normal.

We were still under some restrictions last July as well, so not really comparable.