Lisa Shaw death possibly connected to the vaccine

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169

This is so very sad

tealightsandd thank you. I am a Long covid patient at a clinic, but little research has been done, so in a kind of limbo situation. I was someone who said 12 months ago that i would rather take my chances and was confident that not being vulnerable, I wouldn’t die from it, so I was absolutely against lockdown for those not in the vulnerable category. How stupid was I!

Very very low risk of clots, very sad that this lady died but equally a hell of a lot more people her age have died from covid as well but no one likes to talk about that because young, healthy people aren't at risk and no one wants to believe anything else. I know a young perfectly healthy lady in her 30's died from covid and I'm sure there has been many more but would rather talk about the miniscule numbers who have died from a clot from the vaccine.

Everyone worried about the clot risk but also desperate to get back onto flights again which I'm pretty sure have a much higher risk of clots. There is literally so many things in life that carry a much much much higher risk of clots than the vaccine.

A woman is dead and this thread is crazy. People shouting about vaccines being safe or not, saying long Covid means people should be happy to be vaccinated, exaggerating statistics and likely outcomes. Both 'sides' should take a long hard look at their behaviour. I'm appalled that the only comment isn't to send condolences to Lisa Shaw's loved ones so I will.

If anyone who loved or cared for Lisa is reading this I am very sorry for your loss.

It’s interesting to me that many of the people on this thread stressing just how bad Covid can be for the under 50s (I don’t dispute that btw) are many of the same people that were downplaying its impact in younger people last year when that was the official line.

Covid is bad. The specific clotting syndrome (no, not regular clots) and other inflammatory side effects of the AZ vaccine are very concerning, concerning enough to have led other countries to restrict its usage to over 50s/60s or stop using it altogether. These two truths can co-exist.

I've read in a number of places that the yellow card scheme is usually around 10% of actual side effects. This is due to a number of factors, including that not many people are aware of it and it's left up to the patient to do the reporting.

On the gov link in a pp up thread there should be links to documents right at the bottom of the page. These documents detail every side effect reported and make very interesting reading. I look at these weekly. They are there for each vaccine, not just AZ.

What I don't quite understand is where some of the numbers quoted in the MSM are coming from in relation to deaths, as they certainly don't tally with this data.

@EnidSpyton but you do have access to data the yellow card system, if everyone reports side effects then its on here and why its important to report anything after the vaccinations

Excellent post EnidSpyton

@charliebear78

I was very ill after I had my Covid Vaccine and I am very reluctant to get my 2nd. It took me nearly a week to feel myself again and even now(3 weeks later) I am still suffering with heavy legs and breathlessness when I walk upstairs. I did ring my GP in the first week when I had to stop halfway up the hill on my walk home-They simply said they had no spaces free to see me. I felt fine before the Vaccine and worst now-It is that simple

You need to go back to your doctor. These were my Mums symptoms when she had a thrombosis in her lung.

It is a very sad thread but when you get posts about vaccine worse than covid it’s crazy.

If anyone feels this might be the case look at Wales and hospitalisation and deaths. If they are much lower then you know vaccines are working well.

@ActonBell

I hope this will be helpful to some who are worried by this story: theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-the-contraceptive-pill-158652

The likelihood of a clot from the vaccine is given here as 1 in 250,000. Whereas the likelihood of getting a clot from the contraceptive pill is about 1 in 1000. The article acknowledges that the types of clots are different and the post-vaccine clots could be more serious. But, as someone who had a blood clot caused by the pill that developed into a life-threatening pulmonary embolism, I know that clots from the pill can be very serious too.

The article goes on to point out that between 40-95% of people with significant illness from Covid will develop clots. So if you catch Covid and become quite unwell your risk of some sort of clotting is very high.

Whether or not to have any vaccine is your decision but it’s helpful to have a sense of the relative risks, I think.

Also Mumsnet has around 7 million unique user visits each month, so one would certainly expect that there will be users on here who know someone who has had a clot after the vaccine. That doesn’t make it any less scary and worrying for those affected but again it would be odd given a prevalence of 1 in 250,000 if there weren’t users on here who have sadly been affected by this.

Brilliant post.

Not only are those coercing people into having the vaccine bullies, but they're being stupid, too. At least regarding this issue.
Do they not learn from history? Thalidomide was safe until it wasn 't.
This IS a rushed vaccine. People who have it ARE taking a gamble that it will protect them/restore normality.

That's fine BUT own it. Own the fact that you're taking a gamble and that those who hold back aren't stupid anti-vaxxers.

The government don't give a monkey's if people die. They're not out to save you, they just want the masses to survive. So what if a few people who were at very very little chance of dying from covid anyway are lost along the way? You will not be encouraged to report side effects that's for sure.

I also encourage those who feel as I do to lie about having the jab or invent some reason why you can't have it so you'll be met with sympathy not disapproval. Us who hold back will be villified if things don't go smoothly here on in.
Or they'll just be jealous of this vaccine harms people in a major way. Keep schtum or lie.

Stephanie Dubois died in the same circumstances, a healthy 39 year old woman. It is frightening. I've had Pfizer but I don't think I'd now have AZ if that was offered to me. My risks of catching and becoming seriously ill from covid are very low indeed with so few cases in my area and being a healthy weight.

@Larkstongues

Not only are those coercing people into having the vaccine bullies, but they're being stupid, too. At least regarding this issue. Do they not learn from history? Thalidomide was safe until it wasn 't. This IS a rushed vaccine. People who have it ARE taking a gamble that it will protect them/restore normality.

That's fine BUT own it. Own the fact that you're taking a gamble and that those who hold back aren't stupid anti-vaxxers.

The government don't give a monkey's if people die. They're not out to save you, they just want the masses to survive. So what if a few people who were at very very little chance of dying from covid anyway are lost along the way? You will not be encouraged to report side effects that's for sure.

I also encourage those who feel as I do to lie about having the jab or invent some reason why you can't have it so you'll be met with sympathy not disapproval. Us who hold back will be villified if things don't go smoothly here on in.
Or they'll just be jealous of this vaccine harms people in a major way. Keep schtum or lie.

I agree everyone should make the choice for themselves and not be pressured into it, but some of what you have said is rubbish. People are encouraged to report symptoms, whether you believe that or not is up to you, but as you haven't been for a jab I won't be relying on your first hand account. Of course the government want the masses to survive, by many people having the jab (the infection rates of those in higher risk categories being very low currently suggest vaccination is successful in suppressing it), you have the luxury of choosing whether you want it or not, as society will begin to reopen as the majority have had it. I wouldn't judge you for not having it, but the sneery tone of well everyone who has it is stupid and misinformed isn't really fair.

Bolton hospitalisation is useful

Hardly any double vaccinated
Some one dose
Mostly those just becoming eligible so 30s and 40 age group

Greater breakdown would be useful (weight) but probably not realistic to get

Israel now not spreading new variants
Wales looks good

Some of these posts are rallying up irrational fears, it’s understandable in some ways, but I’ll still be getting second. Can’t come fast enough given two doses work better against Indian variant

Why are CVSTs only linked to AstraZeneca vaccine and not pzifzer. If anyone has information on this and pzifzer blood clots please can you post links. Thanks
It is believed that AZ instructions are delivered into the nucleus. Mutant cells are are dispersed into the bloodstream causing all sorts of serious issues.

Pfizer and MRNA vaccines are delivered into the fluid surrounding the new cells only so this doesn’t happen.

Israel now not spreading new variants
They are using Pfizer.
People on this thread are not anti vaccine. They are highlighting the very serious issues caused directly by AZ. At long last.

@pinkmagnolias

Israel now not spreading new variants They are using Pfizer. People on this thread are not anti vaccine. They are highlighting the very serious issues caused directly by AZ. At long last.

Will there be much difference with AZ?

What data is ob that?

And for some the choice isn’t Pfizer or AZ

It’s AZ or nothing. Worth looking at Bolton hospitalisation before deciding

And for some the choice isn’t Pfizer or AZ

This thread is about AZ.!

Anyway your mind is made up and you aren’t open for any criticism of AZ. I remember you from numerous previous threads constantly shutting down all discussion surrounding doubts about AZ.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now and sadly the future of the issues surrounding AZ is just starting. We are all in it together until the issue surfaces and you realise very quickly just how on your own you are.

@pinkmagnolias

And for some the choice isn’t Pfizer or AZ

This thread is about AZ.!

Anyway your mind is made up and you aren’t open for any criticism of AZ. I remember you from numerous previous threads constantly shutting down all discussion surrounding doubts about AZ.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now and sadly the future of the issues surrounding AZ is just starting. We are all in it together until the issue surfaces and you realise very quickly just how on your own you are.

I’m not ‘shutting anything down’ how silly.

People can weigh up their risk to a certain extent

Listening to medic from Bolton hospital it is clear who is being hospitalised.

If you don’t want to hear it it’s not my issue.

But if people are making a decision get useful information to make it at least.

I don’t care what people do, although I do care if hospitalisation pushes back opening up, but if those who have a different age / risk profile make own decision then look at outcomes.

Pfizer will have potential side effects too. If AZ has been “rushed” so have the other vaccines.

And I wish people would stop whittering on about thalidomide which is completely irrelevant in every respect.

Thalidomide is absolutely relevant as, just like these vaccines, people were told they were safe when they were not.
Absolutely relevant.

@Larkstongues

Thalidomide is absolutely relevant as, just like these vaccines, people were told they were safe when they were not. Absolutely relevant.

But thanks to Thalidomide it is now MUCH harder to get any drug approved. I work in the pharma industry. Thalidomide is why we do things they way we do now. Completely different kettle of fish.

@ScatteredMama82

Still, the process isn't failproof

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14493277