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Lisa Shaw death possibly connected to the vaccine

291 replies

Notagoodtime · 27/05/2021 17:50

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169

This is so very sad

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plumdeplum · 29/05/2021 00:55

@tttigress

If young people don't get COVID how do you explain this www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/significiant-numbers-30-40-year-20695631

OliveTree75 · 29/05/2021 05:53

[quote plumdeplum]@tttigress

If young people don't get COVID how do you explain this www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/significiant-numbers-30-40-year-20695631[/quote]
Nobody said young people don't get covid.

Chillychangchoo · 29/05/2021 17:10

Of course they get covid no one is disputing that. Do they all drop dead though?

No.

Torvean · 29/05/2021 19:18

@Orf1abc

This is so sad for her family and all those that knew her. I wish they'd be more proactive in asking people who experience severe headaches after the vaccine to report them and to investigate before it's too late. If they did that would help to pinpoint what underlying risk factors there are, and hopefully prevent more deaths.

I'm not in any way blaming those that have become unwell, quite the opposite. Side effects are being played down and minimised, and I'd rather a hundred people have investigations and be fine, than one more person die because they felt they were overreacting in seeking help.

Ppl are told to report headaches. If you have a headache that lasts for 4 days. Or a headache more severe than any headache you've ever had.

Both times you're advised to speak to a Dr

Mygardenisanightmare · 29/05/2021 19:30

I'm not a scientist but this makes sense to me.

Those words make me want to bang my head on the desk whenever I read them

bumbleymummy · 29/05/2021 19:45

@Fishandhips

So we can't risk death by Covid, but we can risk death by vaccine, right?

How many deaths do you think there would be if either covid was left to spread with no controls, or if lockdown continued indefinitely? More or less than an absolutely tiny %?

Why on Earth do you think it’s one or the other? I don’t think anyone is questioning the logic of vaccinating the most at risk groups.
bumbleymummy · 29/05/2021 19:46

@Drawcilla

RachyRoo. 1% of those with Covid die. That’s a high death rate! 20-25% of adults and 8-15% of children get long Covid.

0.0001% die of a blood clot from the vaccine.

You absolutely cannot compare the two.

IFR is much lower for different age groups. You would also need to break down the number of clots in different age groups out of the number of vaccines given in that group.
GypsyWanderer · 29/05/2021 22:22

[quote MercyBooth]@charliebear78 My biggest fear is not the adverse reaction but the being dismissed afterwards and left to get on with it as you have experienced. So much for the community rhetoric. If they want to cause resentment towards the NHS they are going the right way about it.[/quote]
I was just saying this on a post for the Pfizer jab. A poster who has a huge reaction a week after the vaccine and was told is was unrelated to the vaccine. I’ve read of others who were told the same for different reactions. After I had the Pfizer vaccine I had headaches for almost 2 weeks and I’m only more feeling normal but I had this in my head, ‘I won’t contact 111 because I don’t want to waste their time and I’m sure I’m fine’. Obviously I’m okay but I dismissed my own symptoms because of what I’ve read about others being dismissed and I wrong be alone in that.

Totallydefeated · 30/05/2021 02:12

The dismissal and pooh-poohing of there being any possibility whatsoever of there being a link between symptoms/reactions and the vaccine isn’t new to Covid, tbh.

Twice previously I’ve had reactions to vaccines that nobody had wanted to know about, and there’s been a hurried and firm squashing of concerns. It happens with other medications too, I remember DH raising side effects from Seroxat with his GP over a decade ago and he was roundly dismissed. It couldn’t possibly be down to the drug, none of these side effects are listed, etc etc. There are now huge class actions against GSK re Seroxat for the very issues DH raised.

No wonder the issues weren’t listed for years, no Dr would entertain the idea it was the drug causing them! So there’d have been way fewer yellow cards than there should have been. I’d bet the farm this goes for every medicine and vaccine and that side effects are under-reported across the board.

Gothichouse40 · 30/05/2021 02:39

Im due for my second vaccine soon. If Im as ill as I was with the first, I think I will pass on the booster in the Autumn.

confuseddotcom090 · 30/05/2021 06:57

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

it seems like a lot of the precautions that may have been used with other similar products in a non-crisis situation were perhaps lessened or done away with. The disclaimer here is I really don't know - I don't work in vaccine development! But I do know that many vaccines take years of testing before they are let loose on the general population.

This is absolutely not the case and it’s so frustrating to see it repeated over and over. The longest part of producing a vaccine is usually the funding. The steps and funding were accelerated. It is no less tested than any other vaccine in recent history, and no precautions were missed.

Comments like yours can seriously scare people.

Where is your evidence for that?

Animal reproductive studies were not conducted prior to emergency licence being granted. Usually they would be.

Long term safety follow up is not complete. Usually you would have 2 years + of data, longer if ADE were a concern (which it is with any coronavirus, and is the reason other vaccines for SARS and MERS have failed). If it were not considered an emergency, regulators would have required this.

To say all the normal studies were done is a barefaced lie. The minimum was done in order to expedite approval. I can understand why, but to be dishonest about the risks? Where is your conscience? This is not informed consent. It's nothing like informed consent. It's criminal.

knittingaddict · 30/05/2021 08:34

@MimiDaisy11

Some people seem to know loads of people with massive adverse reactions. Yet I know tons and tons of people who have had it. No one has had any real issues. Only on here have I heard of these things. Odd

Me too! I'm suspicious too of these posts. Most people I know have had it and the worst I've heard of is feeling run down for a few days. Yet people here know lots of people who've gone blind, had stokes and died.

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I do understand the anxiety but I think it's a shame that some people have had a first dose and now due to stories aren't going for their second. Reactions are much more likely on your first so I don't see the logic in this and you're just lowering your immunity coverage.

Agree withall of this. I'm in my late 50's so know loads of people who have the vaccines. Not a single one has been ill enough to be seriously inconvenienced let alone have health consequences.

The worst was my sister in law who felt nauseous for a couple of days. I only had a sore arm for over a month with my first and absolutely nothing with the second.

I am very sceptical about posters who know lots of people with life changing disabilities after the vaccines. Very sceptical.

Celticwaves · 30/05/2021 08:50

It is tragic watching the growing number of videos online of people with terrible reactions to the jabs, especially younger people who have been pressured into taking them. I cried last night watching several young British women talk about how they have been affected.

MissConductUS · 30/05/2021 10:44

@Celticwaves

It is tragic watching the growing number of videos online of people with terrible reactions to the jabs, especially younger people who have been pressured into taking them. I cried last night watching several young British women talk about how they have been affected.
You are the poster who personally knows
  • someone who had a stroke after the having the vaccine
  • two people who went blind after having the vaccine
  • someone who was paralyzed from the waist down after having the vaccine

And now you are crying after watching videos of people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine.

Do you have any actual, verifiable, non-fictitious information to contribute?

RedcurrantPuff · 30/05/2021 11:06

@Celticwaves

It is tragic watching the growing number of videos online of people with terrible reactions to the jabs, especially younger people who have been pressured into taking them. I cried last night watching several young British women talk about how they have been affected.
Did ye, aye?
RedcurrantPuff · 30/05/2021 11:10

*Agree withall of this. I'm in my late 50's so know loads of people who have the vaccines. Not a single one has been ill enough to be seriously inconvenienced let alone have health consequences.

The worst was my sister in law who felt nauseous for a couple of days. I only had a sore arm for over a month with my first and absolutely nothing with the second.

I am very sceptical about posters who know lots of people with life changing disabilities after the vaccines. Very sceptical.*

I agree. Only on MN do people make such a song and dance about it all. Everyone I know has gone for their vaccine when called without making a fuss, not fussed about which vaccine they get, and aside from relatively short term short shittiness have all felt fine. I have reported my episode of gout under the yellow card scheme. Time will tell I guess If it was linked. Gout is certainly linked to vaccines in general

Chillychangchoo · 30/05/2021 14:39

I think you’re all missing the point. A second AZ vaccination for a woman in her 30s might not provide a huge benefit. Also the blood clot risk is higher in this age group than the 50 year old bracket.

I haven’t known one single person who got really ill from covid although I know plenty people who had it. Likewise I know plenty of people who had their vaccine with no bother (myself included for the first one). I do also know of one 41 year old lady who had a clot after her second AZ vaccine and I think that’s one too many.

Againstmachine · 30/05/2021 14:56

My brother in law, had covid didn't end up in hospital, had second vaccine did.

I felt terrible after my first.

Iloveasda1000 · 30/05/2021 15:05

I will say one thing, if you have had a bad reaction to the vaccine or know somebody who has, probably best not to report it on this thread. If you do, some truly delightful people on mumsnet will simply gaslight you and suggests you are making it all up!
Nice.

Celticwaves · 30/05/2021 17:43

@MissConductUS - are you one of these people who is being paid to go on social media to promote the jabs or rubbish anyone who questions the safety of the jabs?

Do you have any actual, verifiable, non-fictitious information to prove that you are not being paid?

MarshaBradyo · 30/05/2021 17:49

- someone who had a stroke after the having the vaccine
- two people who went blind after having the vaccine
- someone who was paralyzed from the waist down after having the vaccine

What are the chances

Tealightsandd · 30/05/2021 17:52

@MarshaBradyo

- someone who had a stroke after the having the vaccine - two people who went blind after having the vaccine - someone who was paralyzed from the waist down after having the vaccine

What are the chances

The scientists should investigate the links between side effects and use of MN and Facebook (or knowing someone who uses it). Seems to increase the risks massively.
MarshaBradyo · 30/05/2021 17:55

Tea yep!

shewalkslikerihanna · 30/05/2021 23:01

@EnidSpyton

As time goes on, more and more cases of severe side effects are being reported. I know more people who have been severely ill after the vaccine than I do people who have even had coronavirus in the first place.

I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer', but I am very concerned by the heavy-handed, biased approach taken by the government when it comes to essentially forcing this vaccine on the entire adult population. The message is constantly to insist that it is safe, that is has been well tested, that we all need to do this to ensure we're 'doing our bit' etc - and in the process, reports of severe side effects are being brushed under the carpet or their significance downplayed to ensure maximum uptake. However, the yellow card scheme used to report side effects is very underused. We do not have an accurate picture of the severity or scale of side effects, and so we as a population are not really being given an informed choice, despite being told we are.

I don't believe these blood clots are as rare as they're making them out to be.
I also don't believe this vaccine is as safe as they claim it to be.

Covid is not deadly for the vast majority of people who catch it. Why then should we essentially be coerced (because we are being coerced, by the constant messaging, and the belittling, sneering attitude of others who consider anyone who is unsure about the vaccine to be a nutjob conspiracy theorist) into taking a vaccine to protect us from a disease that for most of us poses little to no real threat? It suits the government to roll the vaccine out like this because it makes financial sense to do so. But what will the longterm effects of these untested vaccines be? And how many people will die of the side effects? We simply don't know. The data doesn't exist. It's erroneous to keep insisting the vaccines are safe, because we don't definitively know that's true. For some people, as with Lisa Shaw, the vaccine is deadly. A needless life lost to a disease that wouldn't have killed her in the first place. We need to be talking more about this, and we need to have more nuance to the vaccine conversation. It's not as cut and dried as people are making out. I'm 35. I'm slim, fit and healthy. My chances of dying of coronavirus are miniscule. There's over a year's worth of data to back that up. What are my chances of dying of the vaccine? I have no idea. There's no equivalent data to help me weigh up my options here. So why should I take the risk? At the moment, I feel like I can't even ask that question without being told I'm a hysterical conspiracy theorist. To me, though, that's a common sense question. But such is the cult of the vaccine that any questioning of its safety is tantamount to treason. And that is very troubling.

I totally agree with you 100;per cent I know loads of people who have been really poorly after the vax and one death My son works in the nhs and is very overweight I do worry he will be forced to have vax
RedcurrantPuff · 30/05/2021 23:03

Not being funny @shewalkslikerihanna but as someone severely overweight myself do you not worry more about his weight generally and also Covid being a greater risk to his health than the vaccine?