Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

Sorry, it should say to become an indistinct possibility.

I think looking at vaccination rates across the country will give you a better idea of 'the number of people who consider it foolish and dangerous to oppose vaccines' than a random thread on MN.
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strongly suspect there will be no recourse to compensation in the event of serious vaccine injury. N^o there is already a compensation scheme in place.

We will know it to be untested, after all. No we actually don't.

We are discussing the hypothesis of an insufficiently/untested vaccine, so yes in that situation we will be asked to accept the increased risk of adverse effects.

Furthermore as we are accepting of the increased risks the same compensatory frameworks will not apply.

I'm wholly aware of vaccination rates, however opinion is at least as instuctive as statistics when gauging the future actions/attitudes of a population.

I strongly suspect there will be no recourse to compensation in the event of serious vaccine injury. We will know it to be untested, after all. Most of us will happily accept the risk.

This applies to every vaccine in the world today. the current compensation is extremely hard to access.

how do I find the doughnut? or is a biscuit?

insufficiently/untested vaccine,

there is a massive leap here from 'rushed' in the OP and the inflammatory 'UNTESTED'.
you know that.

as we are accepting of the increased risks the same compensatory frameworks will not apply.Err you know that for sure? Do you work in the civil service or something?

I'm wholly aware of vaccination rates, however opinion is at least as instuctive as statistics when gauging the future actions/attitudes of a population.
population ? there's about 20 people on here.....

Urgh. The level of privilege involved in being able to say, “No no, no life-saving medicine for me thank you.” Imagine being so well protected from disease that you’ll wilfully invite it in.

Yes, I am aware of that, but at least at present it is in place, however difficult it may be to access compensation. As an aside I do have professional expeeience of a handful of families who have been compensated for vaccine injuries.

sleepingpup

You keep dismissing people's concerns about the processes here. Do you have any proof that this vaccine is being subjected to the usual safety testing? I would love to read it if you do.

HotSince82 Exactly how hot are you? Have you had a fever since 1982? Because that screams vaccine injury to me.

I don't know anything for certain. I was under the impression that as we are discussing hypotheticals, that much at least was a given.

Yes this thread is a small sample of a population, but it would be disingenuous to claim that this thread does not in fact chime with the general consensus on vaccine issues in the larger populace as they currently stand.

I do not wish to be misunderstood. I hope that I am wrong. On balance I worry that I may be correct in my assumptions.

As this thread will supposedly stand for posterity it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Vaccine injury isn't a thing. If you actually look into things properly, you will see that people who have bad responses to vaccines are usually people with unknown underlying conditions who got a slight dose of the virus/disease the vaccine is intended to treat to build antibodies and they couldn't fight it off, even that small amount, so they essentially got ill or had complications from the small dose of the virus/disease. So they've survived the vaccine with complications, would they survive the actual virus/disease having had a small dose and reacted badly to that? Probably not.

It's not the vaccine causing them issues, it's the small dose of the virus/disease. Unless they would rather live a sedentary life in a bubble, the vaccine is still the better choice for them. If an underlying illness is known, the vaccine will not be given if it would cause complications and instead the people around them are vaccinated but as we know, not all conditions are picked up and get missed - hence complications!

You keep dismissing people's concerns about the processes here. Do you have any proof that this vaccine is being subjected to the usual safety testing? I would love to read it if you do.

i don't dismiss anybody's concern. we all have the right to be concerned in any situation.

What I do dismiss is the level of information on here that is presented as FACT

untested vaccine
death rates not higher
not testing on animals
sinister Bill Gates

for example
that is simply speculation and shit stirring. From UNQUALIFIED people. Unless you consider googling a qualification.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

YappityYapYap

I work in pharma and can confirm that you are wholly incorrect.

Pharma companies admit to the adverse side effects and possibility of injuries up to and including death. They are detailed on the package inserts.

Popping back on to this fun thread to say that there are posters on here who disagree with everybody, even if the person they responded agreed with the last thing they said.

Thought it worth pointing out. Just so people can decide whether it's worth continuing to respond to said posters.

Have fun.

I hate the biscuit symbol normally but this time I'll join in.

I've long admired the work Bill Gates has been doing in finding a way to eradicate malaria, which kills millions in sub Saharan Africa every year.

So hear we go, OP!

Vaccine injury isn't a thing.

If vaccine damage didn't exist, neither would this:

www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

sleepingpup

As I have alluded to on at least two previous occasions we are discussing hypotheticals, yes speculating.

Do you suggest that we should refrain from a discussion until we are in possession of wholly scientifically verified facts?

Is that the level of censure you would advocate?

oh do go away @HotSince82

what the f are you talking about it's all hypothetical on here.

Not censoring you just massively disagreeing with your sweeping statements

Untested vaccines
no compensation
etc

sleepingpup

We can't present anything as fact, because there are no facts to present.

Keep up with your disparaging " googling as a qualification" comments. I'm reading around this subject. You know, books and academic studies are available on the internet?

Some of us on here have worked in clinical backgrounds and understand the usual processes that occur when a new drug or vaccine is developed. We can't comprehend how those usual processes can occur within such a short time frame. You just keep throwing out the "googling isn't a qualification" rebuttles is not an argument either. If you think we are wrong, and that the full range of testing mid being done on this vaccine then provide some studies that prove that. Otherwise your opinion on this is equally unqualified googling

HotSince82 yes because they can't be certain that every single person will have the right level of a functioning immune system in order to fight off the small quantity and build antibodies, hence the warning. If you 'worked in pharma' I very much doubt you'd be calling it pharma and just saying 'you work in pharma'. Unless you're an actual scientist or someone that works with vaccines, just 'working in pharma' doesn't really qualify you to either debunk or correct or declare anyone else incorrect does it? You could have at least googled a pharmaceutical role to at least sound more convincing than just 'working in pharma'

You can consider them sweeping statements as is your right.

They are, to my mind theories with at least a modicum of plausibility.

At present all HCPs are completely and automatically imdemnified during the the Covid crisis. This is in response to the increased pressures they are placed under and consequently a greater proclivity to make mistakes.
Rules verifiably do change/are relaxed in times of national emergency.

Extrapolation to vaccine compensation in the event of insufficient testing of a rushed vaccine is not improbable.

I'm not asking or expecting you to agree with me but please try not to be so unnecessarily rude in future. We are all living in unprecedented times, nothing is certain and we all have the right to discuss our views.

Have a good day and stay well.

YappityYapYap

I don't need to convince you of anything. I wish to remain my anonymity on here.
Disbelieve me if it suits you.
With the greatest of respect you are still incorrect in your original assertion.

First one!