Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

We are not forced to have any other injections to travel to places where disease is rife

Not true - I’ve had to have yellow fever vaccinations twice - once for Ethiopia and once for Kenya. They wouldn’t let you in the country without them. Not sure if that’s still the case.

Absolutely the case with yellow fever, if you are from one of the places with yellow fever you have to have proof of vaccination to even apply for a visa to enter theUK.

Tbh you sound like this (see picture)

This is the third vaccination thread I've seen go sideways with completely off topic conspiracy theories and slanderous comments. Now we hear Bill Gates was friends with Epstein. What the hell has that got to do with anything? Bill Gates is not personally developing a vaccine.

Woken up to see the news that 2 other high street stores have called in administration. I do wonder at what point people will have a moment of realisation that a very small risk is probably going to be worth it - relative to the alternative nightmare we're currently living in.

soft lockdown had limited effect

oh go away.

I'm not convinced there will ever be a vaccine.

I agree Captain it’s not a given. I don’t think we have ever been successful at making a Coronavirus vaccine of any type. Still no vaccines for SARS 1 or MERS.

That Bill Gates, giving billions to charities and trying to save people’s lives.

What a bastard.

I don’t think we have ever been successful at making a Coronavirus vaccine of any type. Still no vaccines for SARS 1 or MERS.

Development on those was underway but stopped because the outbreaks were contained - they have very different infectivity characteristics.

he isn’t the caring philanthropist he makes himself out to be

Re an earlier comment aboutBill Gates. But he is. He has chosen to use his considerable fortune to make a direct impact on specific large health concerns, not to gain political influence or make showy donations to buy an entry into some nebulous high society. I don’t think he cares what anyone thinks of him personally - he hardly courts any kind of personality cult. He could do this, and does.

@sergeilavrov

Your posts have been excellent; very informative and reassuring.

Look, I'm.not persuaded one way or another right now. If or when a vaccine is available I'll look at the research and safety data and make a decision then. I'm just not planning on a vaccine being available within 12 - 18 months, which is what I see a lot of on here. There are a lot of people pinning their hopes on a vaccine being available by next year, I don't believe that will happen. What you believe is up to you

replying to this "BeijingBikini Wed 15-Apr-20 14:24:00
Thousands more than would normally die. Many of them are apparently fit and healthy.

The first point isn't actually true when you look at death statistics for this time last year. The last point is one I believe the media has been quite biased in - all of the "fit and healthy" people published have turned out to be obese or have a serious underlying condition, like the 21 year old with leukaemia. A ICU doctor on here said an 18 stone patient got reported in the papers as a "fit and healthy" death. That is irresponsible reporting because it overstates the risk to genuinely healthy people, which is very small."

Actually thousands more people HAVE died - the Office for national Statistics have shown that there was an INCREASE of 6000 deaths for the week of the 3rd April this year.... why do people thiink that there is no increase in the overall death rate?

Woken up to see the news that 2 other high street stores have called in administration.

Ahh yeah let's all get vaxxed so we can go to top shop.

Amotherof6 I said that above (yesterday, 15:00), and provided a link to The Telegraph, but it was ignored as it didn't fit in with some people's agenda

yes it was nonsense from Bikini . Of course death rates are up.

have turned out to be obese or have a serious underlying condition,

What are you classifying as a serious underlying condition?

Be interested to know because I would imagine that many of them were living normal lives and not expecting to die this year, despite some people portraying us all as having one foot in the grave.

My cousin's DD is 8 and has type 1 diabetes. If she caught it and died would that be ok because she's got an underlying condition? How many people do you think have a condition that makes them vulnerable to this? I've seen figures for the vulnerable group ( not the very vulnerable) as ranging from 16 million - 25 million. Take the lowest figure - you're ok with 16 million people catching this and potentially ending up ill in hospital with 5% needing intensive care and 50% of those dying?

While I can't say i necessarily agree with the OP...I do find it disturbing how vehemently people on here flock to close down discussion as insane and ridiculous...

Be interested to know because I would imagine that many of them were living normal lives and not expecting to die this year, despite some people portraying us all as having one foot in the grave.

Totally agree hooves.

OP, irrespective of all your donated biscuits I am 100% with you on this.
I have been researching Gates's views on depopulation and eugenics since before Covid-19 was reported in China.

You won't get anywhere here though and really, its up to the individual to decide whether they wish to have an untested vaccine. Unless that vaccine becomes mandatory which I wholly believe that it will.

And there is my one and only issue with the whole thing. I don't particularly care what choices others make for themselves.

an 'untested vaccine'

that is mandatory......

I actually think this thread is rather instructive as to the the number of people who consider it foolish and dangerous to oppose vaccines, any vaccine.

We are, at a population level more afraid of a global situation threatening to life and livelihood than we have ever been in any of our lifetimes. Many people will, I believe accept any proposed vaccine due to this state of fear. Furthermore they will oppose those who will not.

If our government wished for this vaccine to become mandatory and a democratic vote were to be taken on the issue then I imagine the vote would be in favour of a mandatory Covid-19 vaccine.

I strongly suspect there will be no recourse to compensation in the event of serious vaccine injury. We will know it to be untested, after all. Most of us will happily accept the risk.

So yes, I don't consider mandatory vaccination of an insufficiently tested vaccine to become a distinct possibility all things considered.