Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

I actually agree with you. I won't be getting the vaccine.

It makes me think that they have already been working on a coronavirus vaccine but then that spooks me the fuck out

Coronavirus identified in the 1960s. There are different types. No need to get spooked. not a conspiracy.

@Boredbumhead

It makes me think that they have already been working on a coronavirus vaccine

As has already been mentioned, development of vaccines for SARS and MERs were underway but not completed because they weren't needed after all.

I wouldn't want to be taking a newly developed vaccine but that's because I consider myself fit and healthy and do not believe that the risk associated with coronavirus is high for me. If I were in a vulnerable group then I'd weigh pros and cons carefully before deciding. I hope that the vaccine will be made available to those who want and need it, and not forced onto people.

I'm sure it won't be forced on people. It will probably be like what happens with the flu vaccine every year, as I said earlier. The flu accident is free to vulnerable groups (my DH has asthma so he gets it) whereas other people can pay for it, as I do. I expect the same will happen with a COVID-19 jab.

There is also a pneumonia jab available now, which can be paid for.

I can't imagine anyone being forced to have a COVID-19, except maybe healthcare workers.

Not sure we'll have any choice. We may be made to have it before we are allowed out.
None of this is thrown together you know.
C- Certificate
O - Of
V - Viral
I - Immunity
D - Document

Not sure we'll have any choice. We may be made to have it before we are allowed out

Nah. The vast majority of the populace would not submit to that. There'd be riots. No government would survive it.

So what, Covid 19 was created to force us to get vaccinated for it and they hid a clue in the name covid for... reasons?

Lolz

@Devlesko I’m really hoping that is tongue-in-cheek.

C - Confirmation
O - Of
V - Very
I - Idiotic
D - Deduction

That's not a coincidence!

Forgive me, I'm not involved in medicine or drug testing, but surely whether a vaccine is 'rushed' depends on what stages are cut?

I get that testing has to be thorough, but I read somewhere that the code of the actual virus was decoded in super-fast time this time, and tests went ahead quite quickly.

If they have enough human volunteers, so decide to skip a few months of the animal testing part, would that make the vaccine any less safe? (Obviously, hoping they were confident enough to try it on humans earlier than normally). So then if they carried out the normal length of human testing and all of the researchers were satisfied it was fine, then they could get it out in a slightly faster time without risking the health of anyone other than the volunteers?

There are all the eyes of the world on whatever vaccines are made, and they're being made by research scientists who have studied for years to do what they do, not some politician in a back room maniacally stirring bubbling liquids in test-tubes. I'll trust what they feel is safe when it is ready.

before a person is vaccinated there must be some through checks. everyone is not the same, not everyone can tolerate it.

If they have enough human volunteers, so decide to skip a few months of the animal testing part, would that make the vaccine any less safe? (Obviously, hoping they were confident enough to try it on humans earlier than normally). So then if they carried out the normal length of human testing and all of the researchers were satisfied it was fine, then they could get it out in a slightly faster time without risking the health of anyone other than the volunteers

But you've shortened the normal time frames quite considerably.

Previously vaccines have taken between ten to twenty years to develop. The fastest they've ever made one is four years. So, twelve to eighteen months is massively shorter than it normally is. How?

I don't know, it has a ring to it

But I thought they have been working on vaccines for other corona viruses such as MERS and SARS, it isn't a brand spankety new virus, just a slightly different version of an already known about one? So there have already been years and years of research into this type of virus and work done on finding a vaccine.
The entire world is effected this time so there is a lot of money and resources being thrown at vaccine development for this particular strain of corona virus, using a lot of the knowledge we already have about this type of virus.
A bit like when they first developed a vaccine for influenza, the first one took a long time, now we chuck out a new tweaked one every year and yet no-one is throwing up their arms in horror at that timescale ?

@devleso

You're almost worse at poetry than you are at science...

The way I understand it is that a vaccine consists of a number of elements, what they are depends on how it's designed to work. Many of these elements are common to vaccines of a particular attack type, some elements are dependent on the family of viruses they are aimed at, and only a very few are dependent on the specific strain of virus.

So in this case, parts 1 and 2 have already been developed for the delivery type and corona type viruses, so the only elements left to be checked are those specific to this particular strain - Covid 19 (as opposed to 18, 17, 16 etc).

This I gather is how new flu vaccines are developed every year depending on what strains are about. They don't spend 15-20 years developing and testing each strain independently, they just need to swap in the last couple of things for that year's strains.

The tough bit I think will be deciding which delivery platform is the best before throwing maximum resources into that one.

Allergictoironing said it all much better than me

Note that my post above is a bit vague, with lots of "I gather" and "I think" - I would be very happy if someone with good knowledge of this process could confirm/deny my assumptions, and correct them if wrong

petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-investigations-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-medical-malpractice-crimes-against-humanity

This shows we are not the only ones concerned about this.

@duffeldaisy

Just so you know it only takes days to sequence the whole human genome, so the sequencing of this virus and it being published wasn't rushed. Sequencing just doesn't take very long these days.

Thanks @KeepWashingThoseHands, I had no idea it was so fast to do. That's cool!

Development on those was underway but stopped because the outbreaks were contained - they have very different infectivity characteristics.

Yes they were more lethal and therefore didn’t propagate as extensively through the population and those outbreaks effectively burned out. So did the research. I just don’t think we can count our chickens.