Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

they won't want people from the 'shielded' group in the initial testing anyway.

Or they'll choose us first. After all, according to the view of many on MN we'll be dead soon anyway.

Vaccine injury is real but is very rare. All the weird paranoia about drug companies being some sort of fraudulent criminals is wrong.

There is risk in everything. I doubt very much they will be giving a vaccine to anyone if there are risks which outweigh the benefits. Even the swine flu vaccine (which has now been withdrawn) side effects were very rare. I will be getting a vaccine as soon as available

@Thegentleman The studies that are considered viable by the NIH are those that have gone through animal testing where it is APPROPRIATE. The researchers who are able to develop these vaccines were already working on vaccines for different forms of coronavirus or similar genetic codes, so had 95% of the vaccine in place and tested. This allowed them to catch up very fast, and there are strict rules that cover this in both the US and Israel - where the two leading vaccines are being developed. Let's be very clear, these are not "new" vaccines - they are existing vaccines that are being adapted for COVID-19 which is genetically related to the purpose of the vaccines that were in development.

If you truly do work in this area, you'll know or at least suspect this. For those who want more information, the leader of MIGAL's research on this is a brilliant scientist called Itai Bloch. Moderna's research (the US based study that uses biotech - the mRNA channel I explained earlier) is unable to be tested on animals because it uses messenger RNA. This means that a vaccine for animals would not work for humans, because our DNA is different. So testing it on animals isn't appropriate, and their research is licensed in the US.

I'm an advisor in the Middle East, not a scientist, and if the researchers who give us daily updates on the vaccine development process can get me to understand it, I'm sure everyone can! People, quite rightly, have so much love, trust and faith in the NHS - so please don't pass on false or questionable information under their name, it is so damaging and unnecessary, and we can do better. Thank you for the work that you do.

Has anyone said it won't be properly tested ? What qualifies as proper testing ? That is a genuine question to those who are concerned it won't be ?

Thank you @sergeilavrov

You were the voice of reason before.

Vaccine injury is real but is very rare.

I wonder why that might be? Maybe down to rigorous safety testing?

Has anyone said it won't be properly tested ?
of course not.

posters are concerned it is being 'rushed' through and therefore not ' properly' tested.

I wonder why that might be? Maybe down to rigorous safety testing?

yep. But yet a new vaccine would not be rigorously tested?

A vaccine that presumably would be used globally.

I have seen drs express concern that a vaccine cannot be tested within twelve to eighteen months.

I also saw Bill Gates interviewed over the weekend about the research that he is involved in. He said very clearly, that they might have a vaccine available in eighteen months but that governments will have to consider whether they are willing to relax some aspects of testing, in that it won't have been tested to the same standards as other vaccines.

It remains to be seen what is developed

Weee my first one! Also, you're currently living in a world affected by a highly infectious disease without a vaccine and look at the impact!

I still stand that a vaccine will be rushed and safety profile very questionable, if being mass produced in 12 to 18 months.

I do agree with this. I'll wait and see and view the results with an open mind but I'm not banking on a vaccine being available within a year to eighteen months.

I wonder if the people who have posted saying they work for the NHS would like to give their job titles or at least a rough idea of the area you work in ? Are you clinical ? < gives Denise in medical records the side eye >

I'm an RGN. Worked as a staff nurse for thirteen years. Not nursing any longer. So, not a medical records clerk.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras so you were a nurse but are no longer working as one ? How long ago did you stop working in that capacity ? I only ask because I have been working in the same role for 19 long years and the advancements I have seen in that time have been astonishing when it comes to treatments and the science surrounding those.

I very much agree with what you have posted, @Thegentleman.

I can see why people will want to get the vaccine as soon as possible, it's a nasty virus and no-one wants to die that way. However some of us have conditions like autoimmunity that mean we may react to vaccines, or more accurately, the adjuvants in the vaccine. That's why we need to be very careful about what we are introducing into our bodies, so it's essential to weigh up the pros and cons.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras sorry , cooking dinner for the grumpiest man ever, shouldn't Mumsnet and wrangle miserable gits

The government consistently get things wrong and change their minds.

You only have to look at the past 2 months to see this in action!

To all the people who are so certain Bill Gates is a great bloke, don’t forget he was good friends with JEFFREY EPSTEIN!

As the Times puts it:

“Mr. Gates and the $51 billion [Bill & Melinda] Gates Foundation have championed the well-being of young girls. By the time Mr. Gates and Mr. Epstein first met, Mr. Epstein had served jail time for soliciting prostitution from a minor and was required to register as a sex offender.”

fortune.com/2019/10/14/the-relationship-between-bill-gates-and-jeffrey-epstein-the-broadsheet/amp/