The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 15:16

@ToughGuy
The govt will be giving a shit about us plebs much needed plebs shore up the economy plebs, atthe most cynical level

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picklemewalnuts · 10/03/2020 15:16

And air con on the bus.

Ontopofthesunset · 10/03/2020 15:16

And how do they know it lingered in the air rather than the guy who got on 30 minutes later touching a handrail or button that had had the virus coughed onto it?

pussycatinboots · 10/03/2020 15:17

I feel sorry for the poor buggers doing the "extra deep" cleaning.

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 15:17

www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5051081/coronavirus-liveblog-covid-besmettingen-nederland-rivm
A sample of employees of the Elisabeth TweeSteden Hospital (ETZ) in Tilburg shows that 28 of them have contracted the corona virus. The hospital, with two branches in the Brabant city, has tested 301 employees. None of them had been in risk area

Article is in Dutch

manicinsomniac · 10/03/2020 15:18

Rocket I just don't think our country could get the testing that wrong. I'm not saying cases won't have been missed - of course they will. But I really doubt we're doing any worse than other European countries, many of whom have much higher figures than us.

I'm not relying on the stats being accurate but I am relying on them being meaningful.

Our scientists and doctors are very intelligent people. I'm prepared to trust they have it more right than mumsnet.

Or at least I am right now in the middle of the day surrounded unhealthy, happy people. By myself in the middle of the night is another story!!

Cuddling57 · 10/03/2020 15:18

Re the bus picture - it's amazing how many people sitting close to the original infected person weren't infected. Did they wash their hands more?

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usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 15:19

@middleager

Sample testing gives data that can be extrapolated to the entire population, thus saving testing everyone

If amyome has any data on whether this is a scientifically random testing basis though Id like to see it, as I believe its only done on those already presenting we with respiratory issues.

So of those with respiratory issues, how many are infected with CV-19. This is still useful.

So even if you have significant respiratory issues, only a small proportion is CV-19

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Carlislemumof4 · 10/03/2020 15:19

@YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus I don't have a current connection to the school, eldest used to go there. My other DCs are all in primary.

Yes I think they ought to be closing for a deep clean at least, must be very worrying for the parents of current students and staff too. The teacher is of course not to blame in any way.

I'm pragmatic about the fact there must be undiagnosed cases of community spread here now as elsewhere, still hoping for school closures or the option to keep DCs at home very soon.

wheresmymojo · 10/03/2020 15:20

In regards to the bus, some important context:

It is based on a study in China

The key point is that the bus was air conditioned and so the spread over 4 meters and being in the air for 30 mins is for enclosed spaces with air conditioning

One person with CV got off the bus, 30 mins later someone got on the bus and sat in a different part of the bus and still caught it

They believe on the balance of probablities having spoken to the people involved and looked at where they were sitting it was not likely they had touched the same surfaces in the bus and so caught it in the air circulating jn the bus

Dr John Campbell does a summary of it in his latest video.

tryingtoprep · 10/03/2020 15:21

@NeurotrashWarrior Yes, agree. Government policy of downplaying is so dangerous. People I know aren't taking precautions because "the numbers are so low". It's clear the true number of cases is way higher than official figures. So many stories of people being refused tests. I bet BJ and senior cabinet members get the test if they want or need one.

I wish we had some sort of Opposition. Someone to call the government to account. This crisis is such a good example of why we need a strong opposition regardless of who's in power.

I hope they deep clean London buses too, and all the overground trains. But pointless otherwise!

wheresmymojo · 10/03/2020 15:21

Sorry, also they did very in depth contact tracing which leads them to believe the bus was when they caught it and not in another scenario.

middleager · 10/03/2020 15:21

Thanks Username

OldQueen1969 · 10/03/2020 15:22

Ah the tyranny of numbers and the curse of amateur arithmetic..... which is all on me as I have been doing mental calculations based on the figures currently released.....

If everyone testing positive after a potential two week incubation period has come into contact with a conservative estimate of 20 people each per day, that's 373 x 280 which is 104,440. Of course some will have self isolated so I'll knock off a third - which brings it down to around 65,000. But we have only tested around 26,000. in that number are there false negatives? And is the relatively low number of tests in comparison to potential contact relevant?

Given the country's population, statistically speaking, things don't look too bad, but as things peak, I can see why they're saying there may be dramatic increases. Also, if travel is restricted from hotspots and isolation encouraged, unless the testing parameters are changed might we see a downturn that does not reflect the truth of the transmission?

Feel free to castigate my maths or my thought processes - am aware I could be entirely wrong about everything and actually hope that I am, because anything close to my figures is rather crap for real people. But I'm torn between having faith in the official figures and very little in the current government or systems.

Locally a solicitors office has identified a partner testing positive - but that's all under control......

And for the purposes of this exercise and the EU doing a joint pow wow / policy meeting. where does the UK stand on this in the light of (boring) Brexit? Are we now in the glorious position of freedom meaning we can veto any suggestions or measures suggested ? Not meaning to be controversial, but the politics and economics of this are irrevocably intertwined with actual health of nations...... solitary livin on an island full of cats seems REALLY appealing right now.......

Oakmaiden · 10/03/2020 15:24

Presumably the testing that is being done comes with other data that the government feel makes this the most appropriate regime for extrapolating the situation into the coming days/weeks. The fact that we don't know what that data is is probably what makes it all feel very ad hoc.

It could be that 200 of the tests are being done on returning travellers with symptoms, and then 1000 each day are being done randomly in a selection of locations which is giving background data.

We don't know. I like to hope think the people in change do though.

Oakmaiden · 10/03/2020 15:26

If everyone testing positive after a potential two week incubation period has come into contact with a conservative estimate of 20 people each per day

I don't come into contact with anything like that many new people each day. I mean, people with public facing jobs probably do... Most days I don't come into contact with more than 5 or 6 outside my immediate circle.

seasmize · 10/03/2020 15:27

There are a lot of cases popping up randomly in doctors and hospitals now, which I think is a very bad sign for community transmission.

Also I keep seeing more and more reports of cases in other countries where the person has been in the U.K. and likely acquired it here.

Egghead68 · 10/03/2020 15:30

If everyone testing positive after a potential two week incubation period has come into contact with a conservative estimate of 20 people each per day

I think they estimate at the moment that each positive case is giving it to around 2.5 other people.

AnneKipanki · 10/03/2020 15:31

@AvocadoOwl , they can test the RNA to see the genetic origin from the original person .

BIWI · 10/03/2020 15:33

@seasmize

There are a lot of cases popping up randomly in doctors and hospitals now

How do you know this?

OldQueen1969 · 10/03/2020 15:34

@Egghead68

That sounds reasonably reassuring - thanks. I know I'm really doing an exercise in futility with it all, but that's my coping mechanism I guess.

Oakmaiden · 10/03/2020 15:35

I think they estimate at the moment that each positive case is giving it to around 2.5 other people.

Do they? I feel another mathematical model coming on...

Defenbaker · 10/03/2020 15:36

@LarkDescending thanks for the info and link - I will read that.

@facevalue I was asking about Turkey as DH is due to go there this summer.

I don't believe that the UK govt is dragging its heels over serious measures purely for economic reasons. The experts say that if those measures are imposed too early, many people will not comply as they will think it's an overreaction etc. Sadly, to get the UK public on board, the govt needs to wait for figures to rise, so that the hard of thinking/selfish people will comply when those steps are taken.

My guess is that they will close schools one week early for Easter hols, then ask all children showing signs of Covid to be kept in isolation while they are tested. That gives a period of 3 weeks extended holidays - most infected people would show signs by then. Also, maybe they will shut down soft play areas, cinemas and theatres, but let outdoor events/activities take place, as the fresh air helps to dissipate the virus.

Ontopofthesunset · 10/03/2020 15:38

This article from the Japanese Mainichi is interesting (sorry if it's already been linked): mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200303/p2a/00m/0na/012000c

About 75% of those confirmed positive hadn't passed it onto anyone else.

oneteen · 10/03/2020 15:41

The Leicester Fc CEO has picked it up from UK... Probably at the recent match...

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