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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 19

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 21:26

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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Exochord · 10/03/2020 14:53

Re. petrol - I’m keeping my car full by topping up every other day, normally I’d only fill up once every week or two. But judging by what happened in Italy they could lock us down overnight, and I need to be able to reach my elderly parents and fetch their medication from the pharmacy.

Miriel · 10/03/2020 14:53

@KenAdams the last column is off - you seem to be finding a percentage of the total (373 is ~29% of 1301) but not all 373 confirmed cases are from the 1301 tests yesterday! The % testing positive is increasing over time, but only slightly.

Delatron · 10/03/2020 14:53

What we do know though is that only people with recent travel history to affected areas with symptoms are being tested.

Yet other cases are popping up in hospital with no travel links and are dying.

But you can argue that the testing criteria is sufficient and there’s no community spread? When we’ve seen evidence of community spread? That’s not hysterical. I don’t think we are testing enough.

Albatross123 · 10/03/2020 14:54

@KenAdams The percentages are definitely wrong in your spreadsheet. What are you basing the % tested positive on?

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 10/03/2020 14:54

@Carlislemumof4 I came on this thread to ask what you think of them not closing Trinity school but I see you’ve just commented.

I’m in the county, not Carlisle but I have to say I’d be a bit worried if they aren’t closing even to do a deep clean.

middleager · 10/03/2020 14:54

@middleager you do not know of cases either on here or in real life. You know people who think they might have it and medical risk assessment had suggested they don’t so they haven’t been tested.

I do. This is why I'm so worried.

Homkaismycat · 10/03/2020 14:55

@freezingold
He has OCD about tidyness ,constantly nagging me if I leave a one glass in the sink...
But this???? Sitting in dirty work clothes the whole evening until 9 pm! And he works in factory, where is dust particles, carbon etc, he suppose to wear a mask, but he never does..
he brings all shit here, now could be Coronavirus as well..as he moans that everyone coughs and sneezes around him.

Newjez · 10/03/2020 14:55

For petrol, I think it's sensible to not let your tank go below half. I don't think anyone should be storing Gerry cans. But just in case your local gets shut for a couple of days, keep some in the tank.

georgeggg · 10/03/2020 14:55

Does anyone have the source for Italy's testing numbers please? Would be good to be able to compare.

manicinsomniac · 10/03/2020 14:55

I'm starting to relax a bit after today's figures. Been really worried for a few days but we're getting such small increases compared to mainland Europe. Maybe our island location is helping, idk.

ClubfootMaestro · 10/03/2020 14:56

Getting extremely anxious, not just in terms of catching it (me and dd1 both asthmatic so high risk) but what hospital resources will be like when I'm giving birth

I’m also pregnant but will be due to give birth a few weeks after you. The state of obstetric care does concern me, but I’m hoping that it won’t be as badly affected as other services. My main worry is that there will be staff shortages due to sickness.

I think given your medical conditions, even if they have to cancel some caesareans, you should be fairly high priority. I think they possibly might cancel some maternal request ones or ones where people could deliver safely but eg have a prolapse but hopefully you should be ok. Best of luck Flowers

KenAdams · 10/03/2020 14:56

Ah thanks @Miriel that makes sense. I have reported to get my post deleted.

Miriel · 10/03/2020 14:56

More accurate version of the table www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/fgeita/there_are_now_373_confirmed_cases_in_the_uk/fk3zyv1/

(Caveat: not my calculations, haven't checked them all, but they seem right)

ChipotleBlessing · 10/03/2020 14:57

@middleager if they haven’t been tested you don’t know they have it.

Furfockssake · 10/03/2020 14:58

The statistics tell us that cases are being under reported through a lack of testing.

With 6 deaths we should have, statistically, at around 600 positive cases (assuming fatality rate is around 1%), and that would have been 600 cases at least three weeks ago.

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/03/2020 14:59

There's a mention on that Twitter thread that testing has dropped considerably over the past 3 days - 1986 three days ago, 1720 two days ago and 1300 yesterday. If that's right then it's the percentage of cases uncovered to the number of tests that's of interest, which looks between 2-4%, and while it looks like while the numbers aren't dramatically different day to day, the lowest number of tests came up with the highest percentage of cases in those three days.

wheresmymojo · 10/03/2020 15:00

I believe this table shows the tests done daily and % positive

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Furfockssake · 10/03/2020 15:00

That's even more the case in the UK because we don't have any particular clusters of deaths.

Rocketmam · 10/03/2020 15:00

I'm starting to relax a bit after today's figures. Been really worried for a few days but we're getting such small increases compared to mainland Europe. Maybe our island location is helping, idk.

It is having the opposite effect on me. We have people in hospitals dying of community aquired CV. We have no restrictions or checks on the thousands of people travelling from badly affected countries. We are testing less people as we go along and the testing restrictions are nothing short of ridiculous now we know it is in the community.

I would actually feel better if they started testing more widely and even if the figures doubled. I'd actually feel like they were getting a handle on the situation and not acting based off a potential inaccurate number.

usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 15:03

We have a lot of 'life' going on here so I've missed a lot of this thread's content, but I did see your uodate @ofwarren on the newly considered 'safe' distance and exposure time

Can you please expand on that and give full source?

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Furfockssake · 10/03/2020 15:04

@Rocketmam the Government are being advised by top scientists and they will know far more precisely how many cases we really have based on the deaths we have seen, and they will know how quickly the virus is likely to spread. That's why, even though our numbers appear very low, they know there is sustained community transmission, they know the number of deaths don't equal the numbers cases tested positive, so I'm assuming scientists and specialists will be basing all of their decisions and advice to Government on statistics rather than the actual numbers being reported.

Delatron · 10/03/2020 15:05

Strange how they are testing less people as the time goes on. You’d think there would be more people being tested.

I don’t feel reassured at all as they are clearly
missing cases.

Oakmaiden · 10/03/2020 15:05

With 6 deaths we should have, statistically, at around 600 positive cases (assuming fatality rate is around 1%), and that would have been 600 cases at least three weeks ago.

Agreed. Although if you go with the WHO amended 3.5% then we could be accurate-ish. And of course with such low (comparatively) numbers we could just be unlucky and have a disproportionate number of deaths - or unlucky and have a disproportionately high numbers. You have to remember that this sort of stat doesn't hold true until you get into really big numbers.

TheRealHousewife · 10/03/2020 15:06

@usernameishistory see photo graphic. Goes source at the bottom.

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TheRealHousewife · 10/03/2020 15:06

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