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IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.

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Twiglets1 · 29/01/2026 14:33

Article in The Jerusalem Post:

The IDF, for the first time on Wednesday, confirmed that approximately 70,000 Gazans were killed during the Israel-Hamas War, while disputing the percentage of civilian deaths claimed by the UN and declaring that no healthy persons died from starvation.

While various international groups have claimed that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians, the IDF continues to contest that number and has said that around 25,000 were Hamas terrorists. Further, the IDF has presented evidence that, through early 2024 – the period when Hamas was firing large daily rocket salvos – around 13% of their rockets were misfires, leading to the killing of many Palestinians.

There have also been other periods of time where Hamas executed large numbers of Palestinians whom it viewed as political opponents or civilians whom it was trying to prevent from fleeing an area that the IDF said needed to be evacuated. While the IDF said on Thursday that it is working on a fuller evaluation of the breakdown of civilians to combatants and estimates of those killed by Hamas, no Israeli official has provided a set estimate on that to date.

No date was given for when this breakdown will be publicized, suggesting that it will not be in the near future.

Estimates by international organizations and some media have said that as many as around 450 Palestinians have died of starvation, but the IDF on Thursday said these numbers are a mix of fake statistics or include persons who suffered from dangerous health conditions prior to the war.

IDF sources noted cases where they spoke to humanitarian aid officials who claimed that two specific children had died, but the military was able to quickly establish that they were actually still alive.

There were also multiple other cases in which the global media graphically documented children whose bodies appeared contorted and who eventually died, with the military later clarifying that they had serious pre-war health conditions that had already caused their distorted-looking appearance.

The IDF has not given a more detailed, comprehensive counter-claim regarding the list of persons the UN claims starved to death, but is expected to give significant information confidentially to the International Court of Justice on March 12.

More broadly, the IDF has said that UN aid officials in the field have admitted that their headquarters political bosses invented or exaggerated the food insecurity in Gaza in order to pressure Israel into ending the war earlier. IDF officials have also admitted that there was a food insecurity crisis in July-August 2025, but said they acted rapidly enough at the time in increasing the volume of food aid trucks to avoid a starvation crisis.

According to the IDF, throughout the war, 112,000 aid trucks were brought into Gaza, including 1,700,000 tons of food, as well as 1,800,000 tents and tarpaulin covers. During this time, 600,000 children received polio vaccinations.

Currently, 16 field hospitals are operating, and over the course of the war, 9,600 tons of medical items have been brought into Gaza.

During the same period, 5,000 international aid workers entered the Strip, while 42,000 Gazans exited to a third country to receive health treatment or travel using their dual citizenship status.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-884905

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:19

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 09:13

I don't get the impression pro-Palestinians have any sort of problem with Hamas tbh. Only Israel is evil and has agency, and carries blame.
I think as well as the antisemitism aspect, it's actually racist. They erroneously view Israelis as white and Palestinians as brown, and in their minds they are therefore not capable of the same level of agency.

Your impression is of course completely wrong .

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 09:21

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:19

Your impression is of course completely wrong .

No, unlike thinking an entire country is randomly evil (the only Jewish country at that! But I'm sure that's a coincidence), it is not.

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:23

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:14

I did read it somewhere but can't find it now. In any case, they were Hamas terrorists so it's fair to assume that their intentions towards the IDF would be to kill them if they got the chance. It's nice how you defend Hamas though if anyone uses hurty words against them.

The IDF said Sunday that four Palestinian terrorists were killed overnight after emerging from a tunnel route in Rafah, as forces continue operations against Hamas operatives entrenched in the underground network in southern Gaza.

In a statement, the military said troops, guided by the Air Force, identified the men exiting a subterranean passage and eliminated them.

According to the IDF’s assessment, the four may include the Hamas battalion commander in Rafah’s Janina neighborhood, his deputy and a company commander. Their identities are still under verification.

The military said roughly 40 terrorists have been killed in the area in recent weeks as they attempted to flee tunnels in southern Gaza. Southern Command forces “remain deployed in accordance with the ceasefire agreement and will continue to operate to remove any immediate threat,” the IDF said.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sk5uwtywwx

I didn't defend Hamas because as much as you would love that to happen I didn't .

How is an air strike operational that killed at least 22 civilians during a ceasefire?

How anyone can defend that to me is incomprehensible.

Over 500 dead since the ceasefire began.

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:24

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SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 09:27

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Nice try 😂

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:27

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 09:15

Yes, we have had that issue on citme consistently. The racism of low expectations & just thinking of Palestinians as an abstract cause, not really people.

I agree.

It might explain why pro Israel people seemed happier about the ceasefire than the pro Pals on MN.

We were empathising with Gazans as people being dragged into a hopeless war by their own leaders and pleased for them that Gaza is slowly but (hopefully surely) moving towards peace after 2 years of being in a war they couldn't win.

Not just seeing 100s of deaths a day as great propaganda for a cause.

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Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:28

SpaceRaccoon · 01/02/2026 09:27

Nice try 😂

So bad it's funny 😂

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:30

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:27

I agree.

It might explain why pro Israel people seemed happier about the ceasefire than the pro Pals on MN.

We were empathising with Gazans as people being dragged into a hopeless war by their own leaders and pleased for them that Gaza is slowly but (hopefully surely) moving towards peace after 2 years of being in a war they couldn't win.

Not just seeing 100s of deaths a day as great propaganda for a cause.

What's your definition of ceasefire?

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:32

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:23

I didn't defend Hamas because as much as you would love that to happen I didn't .

How is an air strike operational that killed at least 22 civilians during a ceasefire?

How anyone can defend that to me is incomprehensible.

Over 500 dead since the ceasefire began.

If 500 Palestinians have been killed since the ceasefire started, that's a much smaller number than would have been killed if there wasn't a ceasefire. 500 people or more could have been killed in a day if the IDF were attacking Gaza city to destroy Hamas that way.

And yet you don't see the value in the ceasefire. Says it all really.

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Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:37

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:30

What's your definition of ceasefire?

Tired of your habit of asking questions rather than answering them. We're not children in your class, we notice you don't have any answers to fundamental questions such as how pro Pals could support Palestinians who are anti-Hamas.

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Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:41

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:37

Tired of your habit of asking questions rather than answering them. We're not children in your class, we notice you don't have any answers to fundamental questions such as how pro Pals could support Palestinians who are anti-Hamas.

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I genuinely didn't know the answer to that that's why I was asking. I have never witnessed a pro Hamas flag at a demonstration and donate to charities that support civilians so that's why I was asking.

Look if you don't have the answer that fine .
I'm tired of lots of things including the minimisation of deaths that are not the right people.

Don't engage with me any longer if my posting is not relevant to you.I am quite alright with that.
Good luck.

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:43

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I didn't say I don't see value in 500 lives. I'm saying 500 lives lost is better than a far bigger number of Palestinian lives being lost had it not been for the ceasefire.

The numbers matter because each life lost represents a real person.

I will acknowledge I don't care about the Hamas members lost amongst that 500 but I'm assuming there are many innocent civilians amongst that 500 and of course I do care those because why wouldn't I?

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Beachtastic · 01/02/2026 09:49

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:19

Your impression is of course completely wrong .

You have a funny way of showing it.

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:51

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:41

I genuinely didn't know the answer to that that's why I was asking. I have never witnessed a pro Hamas flag at a demonstration and donate to charities that support civilians so that's why I was asking.

Look if you don't have the answer that fine .
I'm tired of lots of things including the minimisation of deaths that are not the right people.

Don't engage with me any longer if my posting is not relevant to you.I am quite alright with that.
Good luck.

It's nothing to do with the Palestinian deaths being "not the right people".

Unless you mean Hamas deaths, they aren't the right people, admittedly.

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SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 09:51

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:41

I genuinely didn't know the answer to that that's why I was asking. I have never witnessed a pro Hamas flag at a demonstration and donate to charities that support civilians so that's why I was asking.

Look if you don't have the answer that fine .
I'm tired of lots of things including the minimisation of deaths that are not the right people.

Don't engage with me any longer if my posting is not relevant to you.I am quite alright with that.
Good luck.

That's the bar? You've never seen a pro- Hamas flag. Wow. That's the limit of your engagement with how to free Palestinian civilians from an autocratic regime with no concern for human rights that just uses them as cannon fodder? You've even had people point out that there was a large pro-Islamic republic contingent out yesterday (the relevance being, Hamas is their proxy). But still nothing to say?

Beachtastic · 01/02/2026 10:03

'Twas ever thus on MN:
Israel are evil "white" colonialists, with lots of money
Palestinians are helpless "brown" children, with no money at all
Anyone with sympathy for Israel is racist because they value "brown" lives less
7/10 was a brave struggle against oppression

That mindset cannot be changed with rational argument.

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 10:06

Twiglets1 · 01/02/2026 09:43

I didn't say I don't see value in 500 lives. I'm saying 500 lives lost is better than a far bigger number of Palestinian lives being lost had it not been for the ceasefire.

The numbers matter because each life lost represents a real person.

I will acknowledge I don't care about the Hamas members lost amongst that 500 but I'm assuming there are many innocent civilians amongst that 500 and of course I do care those because why wouldn't I?

I agree.

In an ideal situation, no lives would be lost but less lives, is better than a full on conflict where many more are lost.

If Hamas funding goes, because the Iran regime are replaced by their own people with a better leadership, who want to improve THEIR country rather than fund terrorism in the wider middle East, making others much WORSE, then that would ultimately improve the lives of Palestinians. Whats actually wrong with that?

Alas, rather than look at how things can improve in Iran and Gaza, some would prefer to keep things remaining the same, with Iran controlling terrorism, and that being used to keep wacking at Israel at any opportunity, rather than hoping for a peaceful solution. Everything changed on 7th October and the subsequent war. Hamas can never be allowed to ever regain power.

I think we have to look at where we are, why it got to this stage, and gradually rebuild with a ceasefire first, then dismantle terrorist group Hamas, rebuild Gaza, (it will take years), and eventually a 2 state solution.

Meanwhile, the mainly young people in Iran, who were immensely brave, rose up and protested against their regime, and were slaughtered in their tens of thousands. Then some pro pals think it's a great idea to question how bad the regime actually is, (I mean even though they have the highest number of executions in the world, keep their people repressed, its not really 'that bad'.... 🙄).
Then others wave the flag of the regime, showing support for the slaughter of all those brave young people! You really cannot make this ridiculousness up. Some just hate Israel and the West and would prefer to support Iran slaughtering their own people! Madness.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 10:08

Martymcfly24 · 01/02/2026 09:30

What's your definition of ceasefire?

Much as I respect Twiglets, her definition of a ceasefire is irrelevant. All that's relevant is the terms of the ceasefire & the view of those involved.

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 10:10

Beachtastic · 01/02/2026 10:03

'Twas ever thus on MN:
Israel are evil "white" colonialists, with lots of money
Palestinians are helpless "brown" children, with no money at all
Anyone with sympathy for Israel is racist because they value "brown" lives less
7/10 was a brave struggle against oppression

That mindset cannot be changed with rational argument.

This 💯. The DNA of Israeli and Palestinians is actually very, very similar both coming from the same peoples in the same areas.

SharonEllis · 01/02/2026 10:10

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 10:06

I agree.

In an ideal situation, no lives would be lost but less lives, is better than a full on conflict where many more are lost.

If Hamas funding goes, because the Iran regime are replaced by their own people with a better leadership, who want to improve THEIR country rather than fund terrorism in the wider middle East, making others much WORSE, then that would ultimately improve the lives of Palestinians. Whats actually wrong with that?

Alas, rather than look at how things can improve in Iran and Gaza, some would prefer to keep things remaining the same, with Iran controlling terrorism, and that being used to keep wacking at Israel at any opportunity, rather than hoping for a peaceful solution. Everything changed on 7th October and the subsequent war. Hamas can never be allowed to ever regain power.

I think we have to look at where we are, why it got to this stage, and gradually rebuild with a ceasefire first, then dismantle terrorist group Hamas, rebuild Gaza, (it will take years), and eventually a 2 state solution.

Meanwhile, the mainly young people in Iran, who were immensely brave, rose up and protested against their regime, and were slaughtered in their tens of thousands. Then some pro pals think it's a great idea to question how bad the regime actually is, (I mean even though they have the highest number of executions in the world, keep their people repressed, its not really 'that bad'.... 🙄).
Then others wave the flag of the regime, showing support for the slaughter of all those brave young people! You really cannot make this ridiculousness up. Some just hate Israel and the West and would prefer to support Iran slaughtering their own people! Madness.

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Well said.

GeneralPeter · 01/02/2026 13:06

Dagda · 01/02/2026 01:02

But Israeli nationalists have also favoured the expulsion of Palestinians.

KKK symbols were made to terrorise people. But neither the Palestinian flag nor the Israeli flag stand for a one fixed message like this.

I don’t think we should start saying that these flags become a hate symbol because some of the people waving those flags say awful thing.

Yes.

On one side the extremists want to expel the Palestinians.

On the other the mainstream wants to expel the Jews.

The Palestinian flag wasn’t hijacked by terrorists. It was adopted for Palestine by the PLO in the same era that they were bombing airliners and murdering olympians.

Palestinian nationalism hasn’t been sullied by a hateful few, it was basically founded by a genocidal theocrat, who lobbied Hitler personally, actively recruited Muslims to the SS, and wanted a Holocaust in the Middle East. Not just the Middle East, he wanted to Jews exterminated everywhere.

If the movement had completely repudiated that past it would be a different matter (like, eg, the Democratic party, which switched sides on slavery and is now nothing like it was).

But it hasn’t. The same ideology, with the same murderous method, to the present day.

There is a decent Palestinian national movement to be had. But it’s not this one.

Western secular liberals adopting the slogans and symbols of the movement should ask themselves how they would have viewed a Western movement in the 1930s that marched to oppose German unfair treatment at the hands of the international community, carried the Swastika, shunned those who opposed Hitler on marches, but explained that no actually, it’s a different German nationalism they support. Their swastika, identical in design to the Nazi one, is actually a peaceful spiritual symbol and it’s outrageous to conflate the two.

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 13:19

GeneralPeter · 01/02/2026 13:06

Yes.

On one side the extremists want to expel the Palestinians.

On the other the mainstream wants to expel the Jews.

The Palestinian flag wasn’t hijacked by terrorists. It was adopted for Palestine by the PLO in the same era that they were bombing airliners and murdering olympians.

Palestinian nationalism hasn’t been sullied by a hateful few, it was basically founded by a genocidal theocrat, who lobbied Hitler personally, actively recruited Muslims to the SS, and wanted a Holocaust in the Middle East. Not just the Middle East, he wanted to Jews exterminated everywhere.

If the movement had completely repudiated that past it would be a different matter (like, eg, the Democratic party, which switched sides on slavery and is now nothing like it was).

But it hasn’t. The same ideology, with the same murderous method, to the present day.

There is a decent Palestinian national movement to be had. But it’s not this one.

Western secular liberals adopting the slogans and symbols of the movement should ask themselves how they would have viewed a Western movement in the 1930s that marched to oppose German unfair treatment at the hands of the international community, carried the Swastika, shunned those who opposed Hitler on marches, but explained that no actually, it’s a different German nationalism they support. Their swastika, identical in design to the Nazi one, is actually a peaceful spiritual symbol and it’s outrageous to conflate the two.

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Try telling that to the marchers. They are fixed on 'poor Palestinians ' never done anything wrong narrative why do the nasty Israelis need an iron dome, feel the need for a wall and fences and border checks. Not sure many are aware of the PLO and their origins (probably think they were fluffy freedom fighters) but carry on waving the flags and ignore the bits they don't want to hear

ReturnOfTheToad · 01/02/2026 13:22

On one side the extremists want to expel the Palestinians.

That's a lot of 'extremists' then.

www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

JacknDiane · 01/02/2026 22:25

Ihatetomatoes · 01/02/2026 13:19

Try telling that to the marchers. They are fixed on 'poor Palestinians ' never done anything wrong narrative why do the nasty Israelis need an iron dome, feel the need for a wall and fences and border checks. Not sure many are aware of the PLO and their origins (probably think they were fluffy freedom fighters) but carry on waving the flags and ignore the bits they don't want to hear

The belittling of anyone who has marched in protest of what happened in Gaza, says everything about you @Ihatetomatoes

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