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IDF confirms some 70,000 Gazans died in war, none from starvation.

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Twiglets1 · 29/01/2026 14:33

Article in The Jerusalem Post:

The IDF, for the first time on Wednesday, confirmed that approximately 70,000 Gazans were killed during the Israel-Hamas War, while disputing the percentage of civilian deaths claimed by the UN and declaring that no healthy persons died from starvation.

While various international groups have claimed that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians, the IDF continues to contest that number and has said that around 25,000 were Hamas terrorists. Further, the IDF has presented evidence that, through early 2024 – the period when Hamas was firing large daily rocket salvos – around 13% of their rockets were misfires, leading to the killing of many Palestinians.

There have also been other periods of time where Hamas executed large numbers of Palestinians whom it viewed as political opponents or civilians whom it was trying to prevent from fleeing an area that the IDF said needed to be evacuated. While the IDF said on Thursday that it is working on a fuller evaluation of the breakdown of civilians to combatants and estimates of those killed by Hamas, no Israeli official has provided a set estimate on that to date.

No date was given for when this breakdown will be publicized, suggesting that it will not be in the near future.

Estimates by international organizations and some media have said that as many as around 450 Palestinians have died of starvation, but the IDF on Thursday said these numbers are a mix of fake statistics or include persons who suffered from dangerous health conditions prior to the war.

IDF sources noted cases where they spoke to humanitarian aid officials who claimed that two specific children had died, but the military was able to quickly establish that they were actually still alive.

There were also multiple other cases in which the global media graphically documented children whose bodies appeared contorted and who eventually died, with the military later clarifying that they had serious pre-war health conditions that had already caused their distorted-looking appearance.

The IDF has not given a more detailed, comprehensive counter-claim regarding the list of persons the UN claims starved to death, but is expected to give significant information confidentially to the International Court of Justice on March 12.

More broadly, the IDF has said that UN aid officials in the field have admitted that their headquarters political bosses invented or exaggerated the food insecurity in Gaza in order to pressure Israel into ending the war earlier. IDF officials have also admitted that there was a food insecurity crisis in July-August 2025, but said they acted rapidly enough at the time in increasing the volume of food aid trucks to avoid a starvation crisis.

According to the IDF, throughout the war, 112,000 aid trucks were brought into Gaza, including 1,700,000 tons of food, as well as 1,800,000 tents and tarpaulin covers. During this time, 600,000 children received polio vaccinations.

Currently, 16 field hospitals are operating, and over the course of the war, 9,600 tons of medical items have been brought into Gaza.

During the same period, 5,000 international aid workers entered the Strip, while 42,000 Gazans exited to a third country to receive health treatment or travel using their dual citizenship status.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-884905

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Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 18:13

SomeWomanSomewhere · 29/01/2026 18:50

Translation: "look at the Lancet or other epidemiological figures, the 70k are a massive undercount."

I am utterly and completely DISGUSTED at the propaganda machine that has been screaming "do not believe the figures, the figures are Hamas!" for 2+ years when "the figures" had been shown to be largely reliable every single time before.

For them now to go "oopsie! Guess we sort of did kill 70k+ people - but not to worry: remember those kids had pre-existing conditions. Because CP routinely kills in places like Paris or even Bogota ..." is just beyond the pale!

Absolutely, and the IDF have also said that this figure does not include the people buried under rubble from their buildings being bombed.

It’s disingenuous to say no healthy person died of starvation - it is the most vulnerable who will die first and then there are the indirect deaths due to malnutrition and lack of appropriate shelter (especially in winter and wet weather) which makes susceptibility to infections far greater - especially in children and elderly.

Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 18:19

SharonEllis · 02/02/2026 04:44

This is a ridiculous distortion of the truth. Israel has never denied killing Palestinians. There was always going to be dispute about numbers. From 7 October onwards thete was undoubtedly sn element of the pro-Palestinian movement that was pro-Hamas, so they were terrorist supporters. Saturday proved that beyond doubt with marchers explicitly supporting the Islamic Republic, Hamas and Hezbollah and calls to globalise the intifada. And that is why some people have called for the marches to be banned.

Did you miss all the posts that said that we couldn’t trust Hamas figures which all the ‘useful idiots’ readily accepted?

Did you miss the posts which argued that the civilian combatant ratio was far lower than Hamas was saying?

I have read the IDF have not given a more recent account of the ratio. Maybe not as low as some people were trying to say.

Twiglets1 · 04/02/2026 18:44

Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 18:19

Did you miss all the posts that said that we couldn’t trust Hamas figures which all the ‘useful idiots’ readily accepted?

Did you miss the posts which argued that the civilian combatant ratio was far lower than Hamas was saying?

I have read the IDF have not given a more recent account of the ratio. Maybe not as low as some people were trying to say.

According to Hamas the combatant tally was close to zero as they rarely mentioned it, just lumped all “Palestinians” in together whereas realistically many were fighters.

That’s the main thing that made it seem so ridiculous when people were reporting the numbers supplied by Hamas.

As for the actual numbers, we still don’t know.

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Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 20:43

Twiglets1 · 04/02/2026 18:44

According to Hamas the combatant tally was close to zero as they rarely mentioned it, just lumped all “Palestinians” in together whereas realistically many were fighters.

That’s the main thing that made it seem so ridiculous when people were reporting the numbers supplied by Hamas.

As for the actual numbers, we still don’t know.

Please can you show me where Hamas said all the dead were civilians? I really can’t recall this and this would be silly.

We don’t know the actual numbers as a lot will be buried under rubble which is now being flattened on the Israeli side of the yellow line. Nice.

What we do know is that the IDF is agreeing openly with Hamas figures with those killed directly by the bombing.

Twiglets1 · 04/02/2026 21:09

Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 20:43

Please can you show me where Hamas said all the dead were civilians? I really can’t recall this and this would be silly.

We don’t know the actual numbers as a lot will be buried under rubble which is now being flattened on the Israeli side of the yellow line. Nice.

What we do know is that the IDF is agreeing openly with Hamas figures with those killed directly by the bombing.

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How many did they say were combatants? You know as well as I do that they just described them all as “Palestinians” and never acknowledged the significant percentage that were fighters.

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Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 21:41

Twiglets1 · 04/02/2026 21:09

How many did they say were combatants? You know as well as I do that they just described them all as “Palestinians” and never acknowledged the significant percentage that were fighters.

They were all Palestinians though?! That’s not in dispute?

So what is your point? Are you doubting the figures who died still? Are you suggesting it as okay as most were combatants. Forgive me for not understanding the point you are trying to make here.

More than TWENTY thousand children killed (not including those poor souls under the rubble).

IDF is accepting that figure Netanyahu said of 50% combatants was wrong.

Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 21:44

@Twiglets1
In August 2025 - classified Israeli documents suggested civilian death rate was above 80%.
This does not include indirect deaths nor those under rubble.

Ellen2shoes · 04/02/2026 21:50

Link to piece by Ben Greiff re denial of Palestinian deaths and recourse now to arguing civilian to militant ratio. According to a classified Israeli database in May last year, 83% of dead were civilians. This doesn’t include thousands still under the rubble or ‘indirect deaths’.

https://apple.news/AcHXjzOV-SuS4il3gcD84bw

‘While we won’t know for certain how high the death toll since 7 October really is until Israel stops bombing Gaza and preventing the local and international media from being able to report freely across the strip, there is one thing we can be sure of: the climate of denial regarding the health ministry’s figures helped Israel keep slaughtering Palestinians en masse with impunity.’

Opinion | Now that Israel has admitted the Gaza death toll is accurate, don’t let apologists move the goalposts — The Guardian

Having rubbished the health ministry’s figures, they are now saying what matters is the civilian-to-militant ratio. See that for what it is, says Ben Reiff, deputy editor at +972

https://apple.news/AcHXjzOV-SuS4il3gcD84bw

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 06:43

Islandsofsand · 04/02/2026 21:41

They were all Palestinians though?! That’s not in dispute?

So what is your point? Are you doubting the figures who died still? Are you suggesting it as okay as most were combatants. Forgive me for not understanding the point you are trying to make here.

More than TWENTY thousand children killed (not including those poor souls under the rubble).

IDF is accepting that figure Netanyahu said of 50% combatants was wrong.

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For the hard of understanding, my point is that they were all just described as "Palestinians" rather than identified as civilians or fighters.

The implication is that they were all victims. But I don't see Hamas as victims do you?

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Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 06:48

Times if Israel:

Israel never refuted the Hamas health ministry’s data with its own exact figures, instead periodically offering rough ratios of civilians to combatants killed, insisting that the ratio was far lower than in other urban warfare conflicts.

During previous wars, however, Israeli security agencies found the Hamas-run health ministry’s total death counts to be reliable.

Before the October 2025 ceasefire, the IDF said it had killed at least 22,000 combatants, as well as another 1,600 terrorists inside Israel during the October 7 onslaught.

IDF officials also previously said that the combatant-to-civilian death ratio remained relatively the same throughout the war, with two to three civilians killed for every dead terror operative.

Israel has said it seeks to minimize civilian fatalities and stresses that Hamas uses Gaza’s civilians as human shields, fighting from civilian areas, including homes, hospitals, schools, and mosques.

www.timesofisrael.com/idf-believes-70000-gazans-killed-in-war-as-claimed-by-hamas/

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Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 06:50

Ellen2shoes · 04/02/2026 21:50

Link to piece by Ben Greiff re denial of Palestinian deaths and recourse now to arguing civilian to militant ratio. According to a classified Israeli database in May last year, 83% of dead were civilians. This doesn’t include thousands still under the rubble or ‘indirect deaths’.

https://apple.news/AcHXjzOV-SuS4il3gcD84bw

‘While we won’t know for certain how high the death toll since 7 October really is until Israel stops bombing Gaza and preventing the local and international media from being able to report freely across the strip, there is one thing we can be sure of: the climate of denial regarding the health ministry’s figures helped Israel keep slaughtering Palestinians en masse with impunity.’

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That's just an opinion piece and the Israeli database mentioned was about the Hamas terrorists who could be named. It has already been debunked elsewhere.

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Ellen2shoes · 05/02/2026 07:35

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 06:50

That's just an opinion piece and the Israeli database mentioned was about the Hamas terrorists who could be named. It has already been debunked elsewhere.

Not true.
Denying is not debunking:

‘The Israeli military did not dispute the existence of the database or dispute the data on Hamas and PIJ deaths when approached for comment by Local Call and +972 Magazine. When the Guardian asked for comment on the same data, a spokesperson said they had decided to “rephrase” their response.
A brief statement sent to the Guardian did not directly address questions about the military intelligence database.
It said “figures presented in the article are incorrect”, without specifying which data the Israeli military disputed. It also said the numbers “do not reflect the data available in the IDF’s systems”, without detailing which systems.’

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 07:45

Ellen2shoes · 05/02/2026 07:35

Not true.
Denying is not debunking:

‘The Israeli military did not dispute the existence of the database or dispute the data on Hamas and PIJ deaths when approached for comment by Local Call and +972 Magazine. When the Guardian asked for comment on the same data, a spokesperson said they had decided to “rephrase” their response.
A brief statement sent to the Guardian did not directly address questions about the military intelligence database.
It said “figures presented in the article are incorrect”, without specifying which data the Israeli military disputed. It also said the numbers “do not reflect the data available in the IDF’s systems”, without detailing which systems.’

The database is not in dispute, it is how the database has been interpreted that has been disputed.

The database was about the number of dead Hamas militants known by name. It did not purport to be a database of every dead Hamas member.

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Ellen2shoes · 05/02/2026 07:55

Please send the debunking evidence/link
Goalposts moving again?

inamarina · 05/02/2026 07:56

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 06:48

Times if Israel:

Israel never refuted the Hamas health ministry’s data with its own exact figures, instead periodically offering rough ratios of civilians to combatants killed, insisting that the ratio was far lower than in other urban warfare conflicts.

During previous wars, however, Israeli security agencies found the Hamas-run health ministry’s total death counts to be reliable.

Before the October 2025 ceasefire, the IDF said it had killed at least 22,000 combatants, as well as another 1,600 terrorists inside Israel during the October 7 onslaught.

IDF officials also previously said that the combatant-to-civilian death ratio remained relatively the same throughout the war, with two to three civilians killed for every dead terror operative.

Israel has said it seeks to minimize civilian fatalities and stresses that Hamas uses Gaza’s civilians as human shields, fighting from civilian areas, including homes, hospitals, schools, and mosques.

www.timesofisrael.com/idf-believes-70000-gazans-killed-in-war-as-claimed-by-hamas/

That’s also been my understanding over the last one to one and a half years.
The number of fatalities communicated by Hamas was around 60-65 thousand, meanwhile Israel claimed to have killed around 20 thousand Hamas operatives and the combatant-to-civilian ratio given was usually 1 to 2/3.

Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 07:58

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 06:43

For the hard of understanding, my point is that they were all just described as "Palestinians" rather than identified as civilians or fighters.

The implication is that they were all victims. But I don't see Hamas as victims do you?

Of course I don’t see Hamas fighters as victims.

Hamas health ministry broke down the dead into categories by age and gender.

Only those wanting not to understand and appreciate the death rate of Palestinian civilians would see all children, all women and all the elderly as combatants.

In some cases, some teenagers may be combatants - but most likely not. Do you need the obvious pointing out to you?

IDF database says 83% of Palestinians killed were civilians

Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 08:11

Ellen2shoes · 05/02/2026 07:55

Please send the debunking evidence/link
Goalposts moving again?

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There will be a point when we can see the exact number killed / missing when the Gazan population needs are assessed. There will be no obfuscation then.

I read the figure will be about 10% of the Palestinian population were killed, missing or injured last year.

Genocide does not need a percentage of the pop to be killed as part of it’s definition, but this percentage must add to evidence of alleged genocide.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/15/middleeast/1-in-10-palestinians-killed-injured-gaza-israel-intl

More than 10% of Gaza’s population has been killed or injured, former Israeli military chief says | CNN

The former chief of the Israeli military said more than 1 in 10 Palestinians in the enclave have been killed or injured since the war began nearly two years ago.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/15/middleeast/1-in-10-palestinians-killed-injured-gaza-israel-intl

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 08:12

Ellen2shoes · 05/02/2026 07:55

Please send the debunking evidence/link
Goalposts moving again?

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No because it has been discussed extensively elsewhere and I'm not wasting time rehashing old ground even if you want to because you're scraping around to keep the Gaza war at the top of the agenda when most people more worried about what is happening in Iran at the moment.

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Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 08:13

Ellen2shoes · 05/02/2026 07:55

Please send the debunking evidence/link
Goalposts moving again?

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There are no innocents until proven otherwise? Dehumanisation?

Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 08:14

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 08:12

No because it has been discussed extensively elsewhere and I'm not wasting time rehashing old ground even if you want to because you're scraping around to keep the Gaza war at the top of the agenda when most people more worried about what is happening in Iran at the moment.

We are responding to your original and subsequent posts.

inamarina · 05/02/2026 08:16

Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 07:58

Of course I don’t see Hamas fighters as victims.

Hamas health ministry broke down the dead into categories by age and gender.

Only those wanting not to understand and appreciate the death rate of Palestinian civilians would see all children, all women and all the elderly as combatants.

In some cases, some teenagers may be combatants - but most likely not. Do you need the obvious pointing out to you?

IDF database says 83% of Palestinians killed were civilians

Why is it unlikely that teenagers might be combatants?

Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 08:31

inamarina · 05/02/2026 08:16

Why is it unlikely that teenagers might be combatants?

I didn’t say it wasn’t.

But all of them?

To consider the number who were combatants would even be a significant figure of the over 20,000 children killed speaks to the dehumanisation of Palestinians.

Twiglets1 · 05/02/2026 08:32

Islandsofsand · 05/02/2026 08:31

I didn’t say it wasn’t.

But all of them?

To consider the number who were combatants would even be a significant figure of the over 20,000 children killed speaks to the dehumanisation of Palestinians.

you did say it was unlikely. You said In some cases, some teenagers may be combatants - but most likely not.

No one suggested it would be all of them.

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