Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

"I apologize to the women if they were raped by Hamas but I don't believe it" - wow.

I definitely wouldn’t trust the far right Italian government, but I would have thought that they’d send it via the Vatican.

It is a derangement.

These people have an underlying hatred of Jewish people either from brainwashing growing up within their family or from company they’ve kept when older but still impressionable. The ‘Palestinian’ cause and the outrageous lies it has propagated, which it needs to exist, has reinforced that hate and confirms the ‘good reason’ to hate.

Palestinian propaganda completely relies on Jew hatred and derangement.

Obviously those on the flotilla were paid in either cash or exposure for their own ego/belief it makes them a ‘goodie’ against the ‘baddie’, when they are in fact deeply dysfunctional personalities with numerous ‘issues’.

No sane person would support the kind of evil which is Hamas and these people DO.

Just too chicken to say it out loud.

I don't understand why anyone would be angry with Netanyahu saying he would treat them like terrorists. They talk like terrorists, appear to be sponsored by terrorists, violate Israel's naval blockade during wartime, and have promoted Hamas propaganda globally. In other wars, they'd have been blindfolded and shot.

How awful.

I don’t believe for a second these rather sinister idiots were treated badly by the IDF and Israel btw.

The Israelis are far from stupid. They will have filmed interactions.

I bet these ‘abuse’ and ‘disappearance’ allegations die away and no action is taken against Israel by their legal representatives as there is no case.

They are despicable liars the same as the cause and the people they are apparently supporting.

Where did I say that? A few lucky children are being allowed to leave but many children have and are still suffering, some have died because of the lack of proper food and medical care. I noticed that you and the other person I asked didn't answer why Israel prevented food and medicine from entering Gaza though. It wasn't because Hamas were stealing aid so why did they prevent all aid from entering Gaza for 3 months until foreign governments pressured them into allowing some back in?

'Dispicable liars', honestly the language used is so far out of whack compared to their perceived crimes. If the flotilla participants are 'dispicable liars' what words do you use to describe the Israeli government who lied about Hamas systematically stealing large amounts of aid so that they could stop all aid from entering Gaza for 3 months?

Stronger terms are consistently used by pro Israel posters here to condemn activists and protesters against Israels starvation, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation than they use against the killing and forced starvation of children, that is consistently referred to as being 'very sad' with no comment at all about the perpetrators.

Can you not develop a more nuanced view?
Most people I know are horrified by what's happening in Gaza. I've not met a single person who supports Hamas, or thinks what happened on October 7th was anything less than horrific.
I'm not so naive as to think that Hamas supporters don't exist. I understand how offensive that is. I'm from Northern Ireland (a protestant) and know how upsetting it was/is when people defended and supported the IRA.
But, to suggest all (circa 500) activists aboard the 44 boats of the flotilla are liars and terrorist sympathisers, without evidence to support that claim, is quite shockingly lacking in nuance to me. Just as lacking in nuance as those claiming all Israelis are x, y, z. Few things in life are black and white I find.

I will add to that and say that pro Israel posters say that they 'don't agree with the settlers', that's as strong as that condemnation goes, now look back at this thread and see the abuse that has been given to these activists, Greta in particular. Why are people showing more hate towards activists than they do towards violent settlers responsible for pogroms?

Of course Hamas stole large amounts of aid! Gazans said so themselves.

If there wasn’t enough aid in the Strip for the 3 month pause, how come there wasn’t masses of deaths from starvation in that period from March to to May?

Stronger terms should be used to condemn people masquerading as ‘humanitarians’ who believe the ridiculous propaganda and blood libels coming out of Gaza purely because they are deranged with Jew hatred, and then use to it lie and incite further hatred and incite violence against Jews by lying about Israel attacking the boats and their alleged mistreatment in Israeli custody, and even claiming these activists have ‘disappeared’.

These are deliberate lies to fan the flames.

These are deliberate lies to fan the flames.

This entire two-year propaganda exercise is to my mind blood libel - extreme, excessive lies about Israel and it's motivations, eagerly lapped up.

Agree. It doesn’t help that they previously claimed they had been bombed by an Israeli drone only for the Tunisian authorities to deny that.
Most (all?) of the accusations also sound quite vague - things like having to sit on a hard surface, developing a rash, feeling dehydrated. Didn’t they also claim IDF was spraying them with chemicals when the latter employed water cannons?

I'm giving up on this thread, as it's pointless trying to influence anyone.
But, I'll just leave the anti-flotilla, pro-Israel crowd with this...
I'm upset that you think people who are taking this peaceful action are motivated by antisemitism. Almost everybody is condemning the far-right Israeli government and their treatment of Palestinians. I'd be upset if you concluded from that, that most people are anti-Semites. Obviously there's been a very alarming rise in antisemitism, that's awful. But most of us criticising the Israeli government and the IDF are not antisemitic at all . It wouldn't occur to me to blame all Jewish people for the genocide. Likewise I wouldn't blame all Muslims for October 7th, 7/7 or. 9/11. My current condemnation of Netanyahu and the IDF is motivated by what they're doing in Gaza. Nothing whatsoever to do with their religion or race. I condemn Saudi Arabia's government for their assault on Yemen. Again, nothing to do with their religion. I condemn both American and British governments for the Iraq war, which doesn't make me anti-Christian, and I am a Christian myself.
I just have to say this before leaving and hiding the thread. Not to downplay antisemitism at all. I don't. But, it'd be awful if you thought most critics of Israeli actions are motivated by bigotry. We're not; we're motivated by a desire to to stop people suffering, and that's it! Speaking for myself anyway. Love and peace to all ❤️ 🕊️

They don't all 500 have to be explicit hamas supporters, but they have chosen to sail alongside people who are holocaust deniers, open antisemites, deniers of the 7 October atrocity.

These aren't people passing each other i the street. They have made common cause and a united front.

This isn't a legitimate difference of opinion. These are heinous views, some of them tipping into illegal. And alo gside side them are people than minimise tbe horror and tge reality and refuse to see the humanity of Israelis and Jews. This is the facebook post Shahidul Alam, part of the flotilla, decided to post this morning on the anniversary of 7 October, the worst attack on Jews since the holocaust. Cold, and barely factual in the amount of detail it omits and the narrow interpretation of the aims of the genocidal terrorists on that day.

No the report found no evidence of widespread systematic stealing of aid, not that there was no stealing of aid.

No one said all 500 activists on board are liars or terrorist sympathisers. But some do have links to Hamas. Some are probably lying since the stories get more exaggerated with every one we hear.

Ffs, the reporters are out of control here. I'll say it one more time you can't fight hate against one group by spewing hate against another. Equating Israel with Jews helps no one, they are not one and the same. Talking about what Israel are doing is not propaganda and it's not blood libel.

Unfortunately, a lot of her type were and are on these threads.
I just hope that they have no children or role where they influence any.
It takes a special type of wickedness to deny rape because the victim is adjacent to a political entity that one hates.
Especially as in light of the fact that the political entity that represents the side on is on provided the world with evidence of their targeted deviance.
I'm glad that any PickMeism due to female social engineering was unable to penetrate me past the basic level of human decency.
Then again, even the many wrong'uns that are my kith and kin did not and do not exhalt or minimise rape.

It has to be an upbringing thing at this point.

That's really constructive, thankyou daisy for your thoughtful and insightful post. Always adding value around here aren't you.

I like to think so, yes! Glad you agree.

Need to pay attention a bit more though, my name's not Daisy. Keep going, I can see you're trying your best.

🥉

It’s quite something to witness that these people can’t DENY that the Palestinians carried out horrific acts on Oct 7th only because they filmed them themselves, although most refuse to watch the actual footage, so they try to deflect by saying they had no choice but to slaughter young people at a music festival and families in their homes, behead people and take babies and children hostage and do a celebration parade with their coffins after they’d strangled them to death in captivity, and the rape claims surely can’t be true as Israeli women are ugly despite all the young female victims I’ve seen being very beautiful not that it matters as the rape was to cause pain and humiliation before they were horrifically murdered.

I say Palestinians because it wasn’t only Hamas who engaged in the atrocities of Oct 7th just like their supporters say Palestinians aren’t all Hamas even though Palestinians say themselves they are.

Jew haters only see what they want to see. The truth is inconvenient for the story they need to tell themselves and the delusion that they are good people fighting for a good cause.

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1821135530790154621

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1913550709573796103

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1879097417292767387

https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1285104827937300480