Hundreds of thousands of people in Israel are now protesting the government’s plans to push forward in Gaza and demanding a deal to release the hostages

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They’re demanding that the government agrees a deal to release the hostages and stop pushing the military effort forward.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-protests-tel-aviv-b2809283.html

Just a few key points from the sources posted:

• IDF had the “Jericho Wall” Hamas attack plan more than a year earlier, detailing infiltration routes, paragliders, drones, rocket barrages, and more- ignored as “aspirational.”

• A signals intelligence analyst warned her superiors in July 2023: “I utterly refute that the scenario is imaginary,” but was dismissed as a lower-ranking voice.

• Egypt warned of “something big” days before the attack- comments confirmed by U.S. lawmakers.

• Identified pre-attack signs that were overlooked: militants activating Israeli SIMs, troop movements, and detailed plans- initially dismissed as “routine activity.”

(Times of Israel report)

• Unit 8200 prepared a detailed planning document in September outlining Hamas training for raids, kidnappings, and hostage-taking—known to intelligence leadership but seemingly ignored.

The Cipher Brief- “One year later, lessons from Israel’s October 7 intelligence failures”

• Junior analysts repeatedly raised alarms; some warnings reached top military and political leadership, yet system-wide biases and faulty assumptions undermined response.

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/column_article/one-year-later-lessons-from-israels-october-7-intelligence-failures

That’s the point - it’s not the same story. I’ve posted links to lots of credible sources.

See above^
“So you're making a conspiracy… about the IDF moving 2 of their reserve troops to the West Bank because of heightened tensions there? Certainly it was a mistake in hindsight but not what you are implying.”

Well I can't keep up with you if you've now moved onto another story, Boris.

That's enough internet for the day, maybe we'll chat tomorrow.

Brilliant deflection there.

I’ve not moved onto another story. These sources collectively demonstrate that the October 7 attack was not a complete surprise- Israeli intelligence had credible advance warnings which went unheeded, leading to one of the most significant intelligence failures in the nation’s history…

My post in which i said nothing but statements that can be fully evidenced has been deleted but pro israeli posters can say that gaza would be eliminated if Netanyahu didnt care about the hostages.

It’s a shame none of these protesters cared about people who were unlawfully imprisoned before October 7th really.

No. Dont try to spin what you said. Any reader of thia thread can see. You said if netanyahu didn't give zero fucks about the hostages then gaza would have beem eradicated.

Im truely fucking sick of all this crap.

Israel supporters how the hell do you bend your mind around the absolute shit the state you are supporting has done. Deny, deflect, detract and report posters who are just posting the truth and asking you to fucking open your mind.

Deflect about Sudan etc but has anyone come across any supporters of what is happening in Sudan? There is no defence.

Especially children.

Saw this posted by ‘save the children’ only today. Although this could definitely be a new, separate thread:

“The treatment of Palestinian child detainees was already dire.
It's now getting much worse.
Save the Children has been informed by lawyers, social workers, caregivers and formerly detained children that children are being raped, set upon by dogs and deprived of food and water.

PALESTINIAN CHILDREN ARE THE ONLY CHILDREN IN THE WORLD TO EXPERIENCE SYSTEMATIC PROSECUTION IN MILITARY COURTS.

These courts consistently fail to offer the right to a fair trial and do not meet juvenile justice standards. It's an abusive, inhumane prosecution system, where children are being physically, emotionally and sexually abused, humiliated and starved.

Since October 2023, the number of children being detained has soared.

Around 1,200 children were arrested in the West Bank in 2024 alone, compared to the pre-war average of 500 to 700 children detained each year. An unknown number of children from Gaza have also been detained.
The number of children held in administrative detention - where children have not been charged with any crime - is also at an all-time high.

In March this year, Israeli authorities reported the death of a 17-year-old Palestinian boy being held in custody, reportedly the first child to die inside an Israeli prison. An autopsy report released in the media showed that the child was suffering from "extreme, likely prolonged malnutrition".

For years, we have been calling for an end to these outrageous violations of children's rights.
Instead, the Government of Israel is arbitrarily detaining and physically and mentally torturing, abusing and traumatising more Palestinian children than ever.“

https://x.com/grok/status/1951036215534428442

Yes, the testimony is real. Israeli soldier Shalom Sheetrit stated in a Knesset reservists' lobby session that Golani commanders ordered no patrols from 5:20-9 AM on Oct 7, 2023. Reported by Israeli media like Channel 7. IDF is investigating but hasn't confirmed or denied the order yet.

This should be a thread itself. Its horrifying.

It's not "owned by Israelis" - it's a US site, registered in California, with an American "team".

But this has been known all along, there is nothing new about it.

In the "I'm a Jewish Israeli - AMA" thread she talked a bit about this, see below.

It sounds as though you are claiming a false flag exercise?

As I mentioned before, I live quite far away from the Gaza border. For me my experience of the first days of the war was of a sudden chaotic whirlwind of uncertainty. It was really not clear what was going on (on every possible level), and part of that was because the first part of the Hamas attack knocked out exactly the army posts which were responsible for gathering information and conveying it to others. Clearly there was a huge intelligence failure, a failure to pick up on signs and connect the dots, and a failure to understand Hamas's intentions. But of course the situation was absolutely terrifying for those stuck in their homes for 24 hours or more just waiting for the army to turn up - and in many cases losing their lives while they waited. All the military/intelligence chiefs responsible have already stood up and taken responsibility for failures, and it's clear that there will be massive changes in the aftermath of this war. Having said that, despite some reports identifying specific intelligence failures, it's also clear that Hamas planned this attack in a way that made it very, very difficult to detect. They used word of mouth and "old tech" to avoid surveillance, and the vast majority of Hamas fighters involved were not notified until that morning and were not given their instructions until they were literally on their way, which meant that normal intelligence networks would not pick it up. Apparently Hamas didn't even notify their political leadership in Qatar or their regional allies in advance. Likewise, the army did respond immediately - they were just completely outnumbered and as mentioned above, the units who should have been telling them what was happening and where to go were the first to be destroyed. However, where the public anger lies is with Netanyahu. He failed in his policy of "managing the conflict", he allowed extremists in his government to stage provocations in the West Bank meaning that two large army units who should have been on the Gaza border weren't there to respond on the 7 Oct, the government basically disappeared after the war and has failed to respond adequately to the needs of the citizens (a gap that has been admirably filled by civil society), and Netanyahu has not admitted responsibility.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4967191-im-a-jewish-israeli-ama?postsby=israelilefty&page=4

You do realise that Jewish Americans with Israeli ties work in America and are loyal to israel though, don't you? The US is Israel's biggest ally and supports israel financially and militarily.

Anyone else seen this news? It’s been reposted on social media.

Though this is not guaranteed to be accepted by Israel, as we have seen before, they have rejected many proposed agreements.

A 60-day truce has been approved with guarantees from Trump to end the war in phases. Hamas agrees to the Egyptian proposal, which includes a number of clauses, the most prominent of which are:

• Modification of the withdrawal lines of the occupation forces in residential areas to 800 meters.
• Entry of 600 aid trucks daily and entry of materials designated for relief and shelter

This is the offer presented to Hamas:

1. Hamas Releases 10 live captives and 18 bodies.
2. Entry of aid into Gaza through humanitarian organizations, the Red Crescent, and the United Nations.
3. A 60-day ceasefire.
4. Negotiations to end the war will begin once the ceasefire takes effect.
5. Israeli withdrawal to a depth of about 1,000 meters in the north and east of the Strip - except for Shujaiya and Beit Lahia.
6. In exchange for 10 live captives, Israel is to release 140 Palestinian captives sentenced to life imprisonment and 60 Palestinian captives sentenced to more than 15 years.
7. For each body, 10 Palestinian bodies will be handed over.
8. Israel will Release all Palestinian children captives.

You do realise that that doesn't make the site "Israeli" don't you?

In exchange for 10 live captives, Israel is to release 140 Palestinian captives sentenced to life imprisonment and 60 Palestinian captives sentenced to more than 15 years.

Oh dear. That's a 20-to-1 ratio in Hamas's favour, but still better than the deal in 2011 when Israel had to release over 1000 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for one Israeli soldier. Sinwar was among the many terrorists released.

Semantics

Really?! You actually think that Jewish people living in California have the same viewpoint as people living in Israel at the moment??!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!? Is that because a Jew is a Jew is a Jew to you? How revealing...

The woman posting the AMA thread I mentioned above touched on this (not California, but North America) when someone shared a YouTube link. Her comment was:

I think it's important to listen to wide perspectives about the conflict. However, with respect, I think it's also important to remember that the voices you recommend are all North American, and they all come from a political position which is not mainstream in North American Jewish communities. They also don't represent an Israeli perspective on the present conflict.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4967191-im-a-jewish-israeli-ama?postsby=israelilefty&page=3

It’s a shame the child detainees won’t be included in this.

Although, based on the track record of ceasefires since Oct 2023, it’s understandable to be sceptical that any future agreements will hold:

1. October 7, 2023 – Hamas attacks Israel; no ceasefire in place. Israel responds with airstrikes.

• Context: Gaza already under blockade; escalation immediate.

1. November 2023 – Attempted ceasefire mediated by Egypt and UN agencies.

• Outcome: Collapsed within days.
• Reason: Israel resumed airstrikes citing Hamas attacks; aid blockages continued.

1. January 2025 – Another negotiated ceasefire attempt.

• Outcome: Broke down quickly.
• Reason: Israel cited security concerns; delays in agreed aid shipments; continued military operations in Gaza.

Although, based on the track record of ceasefires since Oct 2023, it’s understandable to be sceptical that any future agreements will hold:

1. October 7, 2023 – Hamas attacks Israel; no ceasefire in place. Israel responds with airstrikes.

• Context: Gaza already under blockade; escalation immediate.

1. November 2023 – Attempted ceasefire mediated by Egypt and UN agencies.

• Outcome: Collapsed within days.
• Reason: Israel resumed airstrikes citing Hamas attacks; aid blockages continued.

1. January 2025 – Another negotiated ceasefire attempt.

• Outcome: Broke down quickly.
• Reason: Israel cited security concerns; delays in agreed aid shipments; continued military operations in Gaza.

Apologies, I don’t know why that was posted twice.

My app keeps doing this!