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Hundreds of thousands of people in Israel are now protesting the government’s plans to push forward in Gaza and demanding a deal to release the hostages

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ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 09:58

They’re demanding that the government agrees a deal to release the hostages and stop pushing the military effort forward.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-protests-tel-aviv-b2809283.html

Israeli frustration over the war in Gaza erupts into fierce protests

Protesters demanding a deal to free hostages in Gaza turned out in huge numbers in Tel Aviv on Sunday

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-protests-tel-aviv-b2809283.html

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TheignT · 18/08/2025 17:55

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 16:12

Half the internet if you dig through the propaganda. I can't actually believe that anyone thinks any different tbh. Idf soldiers are coming out with witness accounts.

There was a report on Sky last week about the high rate of suicide amongst IDF. How tragic to see your child come home from the frontline and then they die at their own hands because they can't cope with what they have witnessed. Do much tragedy.

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 17:55

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 17:53

I'm saying I don't know anything about it, I can't even Google it to get basic information. So how would I know if it's legitimate or not.

You were the one insisting it's easy to find such information by using a different search engine but won't answer a simple question about who funds them.

I've lost interest in the subject but it's clear you know nothing about the source either.

I've posted a link to who they are and how trustworthy they are! What's the matter with you? Did you think they're owned by Iranians or something?

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 17:58

Are you literally just finding out some of this information? You never knew?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 18:00

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 17:58

Are you literally just finding out some of this information? You never knew?

I did wonder why it hadn’t really come up on these threads yet- I thought I’d maybe missed it, and there’s certainly been plenty of other things to discuss.

hellohellooo · 18/08/2025 18:04

Same posters jump on these threads spouting utter nonsense

It's really a disgrace and @mumsnet you are often quick to delete posts from the people who describe the genocide for what it is but you never seem to delete the nonsense from others

It's very unfair

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 18:04

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 17:53

I'm saying I don't know anything about it, I can't even Google it to get basic information. So how would I know if it's legitimate or not.

You were the one insisting it's easy to find such information by using a different search engine but won't answer a simple question about who funds them.

I've lost interest in the subject but it's clear you know nothing about the source either.

If you regain your interest in the subject you could have a read through these:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-identified-but-ignored-5-warning-signs-of-hamas-attack-on-eve-of-oct-7-its-probe-shows/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza?

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment-of-the-intelligence-failings/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_to_the_Gaza_war

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-top-security-agency-admits-failures-october-7-hamas-attack-2025-03-04/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_public_diplomacy_in_the_Gaza_war

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/israel-palestine/article/2023/12/01/new-york-times-investigation-reports-israel-knew-about-hamas-october-7-attack-plan_6305821_139.html

New York Times investigation reports Israel knew about Hamas' October 7 attack plan

A Hamas document examined by The Times detailed an attack similar to the one on October 7. According to the newspaper, Israeli intelligence officials ignored analysts' warnings and deemed the scenario aspirational.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/israel-palestine/article/2023/12/01/new-york-times-investigation-reports-israel-knew-about-hamas-october-7-attack-plan_6305821_139.html

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 18:04

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 17:53

I'm saying I don't know anything about it, I can't even Google it to get basic information. So how would I know if it's legitimate or not.

You were the one insisting it's easy to find such information by using a different search engine but won't answer a simple question about who funds them.

I've lost interest in the subject but it's clear you know nothing about the source either.

I think that says more about you, and the fact you’re not willing to take on anything that isn’t pro israel, to be honest

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Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:06

You posted a link to Times of Israel not this other company Tulip linked to called Tsionizm that was being discussed. The plot thickens re their funding

Our funder(s) will be used as sources in stories they fund if their contributions are specifically relevant and important.
We will not publicly disclose funding sources.

Sounds dodgy! I'll stick to mainstream sources.

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 18:06

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 18:00

I did wonder why it hadn’t really come up on these threads yet- I thought I’d maybe missed it, and there’s certainly been plenty of other things to discuss.

It did several weeks ago, but my posts were deleted.

Once the other lot turn up, these posts will go the same way, or the thread will be deleted. Probably litigation threats to those in charge.

It's amazing that people actually believe netanyahu is a legit guy and not an evil master strategist.

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 18:08

TulipLavender · 18/08/2025 15:17

So you admit that the person in charge of the Israeli regime is a genocidal maniac who would be enabled by the Israeli government to eradicate Gaza containing 2 million Palestinians if not for the presence of a 250 Israeli hostages?

WOW! I'm mindblown by some of the comments on here from supporters of Israel.

No, I'm saying IF he WERE a genocidal maniac, there would be no Gaza left. Genocidal maniac - more ridiculous clichés.

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 18:08

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 18:04

I think that says more about you, and the fact you’re not willing to take on anything that isn’t pro israel, to be honest

Not ready for the rather murky and unpleasant truth no doubt. I understand, it can come as a shock.

Rule 1 - never trust Google. They really are bollocks.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 18:09

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 18:08

No, I'm saying IF he WERE a genocidal maniac, there would be no Gaza left. Genocidal maniac - more ridiculous clichés.

Well, I’d argue there is not much Gaza left. But I appreciate that is opinion (for once).

LeonMccogh · 18/08/2025 18:10

I said long ago that if Netanyahu was remotely bothered about the hostages they’d all have been rescued by lunchtime on October 7.

Their government has martyred them.

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 18:11

Dangermoo · 18/08/2025 18:08

No, I'm saying IF he WERE a genocidal maniac, there would be no Gaza left. Genocidal maniac - more ridiculous clichés.

Is there anything of Gaza left?

there’s no medical infrastructure left. Pretty much every house has been reduced to rubble. There’s no way the population that does survive will do so without pretty significant trauma. 1/3 of the children have died. The other 2/3 are being starved. Genocide doesn’t just mean killing them all outright.

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smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 18:14

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:06

You posted a link to Times of Israel not this other company Tulip linked to called Tsionizm that was being discussed. The plot thickens re their funding

Our funder(s) will be used as sources in stories they fund if their contributions are specifically relevant and important.
We will not publicly disclose funding sources.

Sounds dodgy! I'll stick to mainstream sources.

https://tsionizm.com/meet-the-team/?pip=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.MjA3NTI0NDA.5nDDblzO1LjNRgb84K19btlS0sq79jlwfUzX-m48KpQ

These people own it. It is not pro zionism, which I think is still just about tolerated in the US, although things could easily change.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing isn't it?

Meet the Team - Tsionizm

Meet the team at Tsionism.com, the staff bringing you news you need to know RIGHT NOW about Israel and her security in the Middle East.

https://tsionizm.com/meet-the-team?pip=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.MjA3NTI0NDA.5nDDblzO1LjNRgb84K19btlS0sq79jlwfUzX-m48KpQ

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:33

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 18:04

I think that says more about you, and the fact you’re not willing to take on anything that isn’t pro israel, to be honest

I don't know if it generally is pro Israel or isn't. I accept Times of Israel just fine and they report things that reflect badly on Netanyahu and his government, and the IDF.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/08/2025 18:34

Roystonv · 18/08/2025 14:46

They seem to only want the war to stop because of the hostages, understandable, but are they against the war itself? I too remain with questions about the Hamas attack, it was too easy for them. Israel are renowned for their high quality of intelligence gathering and the protection of their borders but no one was there to fight back at a crucial time. I remember reading troops had been withdrawn from that area and deployed elsewhere.

Yes, Israelis do oppose the war and Netanyahu's proposed occupation of Gaza. He is not a popular PM.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:35

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 18:13

I've already replied to you about this story. You probably missed it as were so busy looking for other sources but Times of Israel is fine with me.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:37

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 18:08

Not ready for the rather murky and unpleasant truth no doubt. I understand, it can come as a shock.

Rule 1 - never trust Google. They really are bollocks.

Google is just a search engine.... I have made a note to self not to engage with you again (you're probably pleased to hear).

smallglassbottle · 18/08/2025 18:40

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:37

Google is just a search engine.... I have made a note to self not to engage with you again (you're probably pleased to hear).

Don't be an ostrich.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 18/08/2025 18:50

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:35

I've already replied to you about this story. You probably missed it as were so busy looking for other sources but Times of Israel is fine with me.

So you’re not going to read any of the other sources? Just the Times of Israel.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:54

What's the point in reading the same story over and over again? I've read it, I've commented on it. I'll remind you of my response:

According to the ToI report, 2 companies of reserve IDF troops were deployed to the West Bank 2 days before the massacre. The number of troops carrying out routine security at the Gaza border was not changed.
The 100 or so soldiers were deployed to the West Bank’s Huwara, the Kan public broadcaster reported, amid heightened tensions there. A shooting attack in the Palestinian town took place against an Israeli family later that day. There were no injuries in the shooting.
Following the report, IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said there was no change in the number of troops carrying out routine security on the Gaza border ahead of Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, but that redeployment of the two commando companies away from Gaza would be investigated.
“The deployment of the forces that carry out regular operational activities [on the border of] the Gaza Strip did not change before October 7,” Hagari said in response to a question at a press conference.
“We will investigate in depth the decision on the reserve forces, which is a General Staff decision that is made regularly according to a situational assessment,” he said.
The term “reserve forces” in this case does not mean members of the reserve army, but rather troops that bolster various regions, based on assessments carried out by the IDF General Staff. The two Commando Brigade companies were part of the reserve forces, rather than those carrying out routine security.
“Every weekend, we position the reserve forces [in different areas], depending on the threats,” Hagari said. “We will investigate this when we have the operational possibility.”
So you're making a conspiracy ** about the IDF moving 2 of their reserve troops to the West Bank because of heightened tensions there? Certainly it was a mistake in hindsight but not what you are implying.

Twiglets1 · 18/08/2025 18:55

You provided the source @Wedonttalkaboutboris along with quite a few other ones later. One reputable source is enough 😀