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Conflict in the Middle East
LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:38

itt · 02/08/2025 13:20

So daily attacks against Arabs are fine because they keep it localised for now? See this is hypocracy that gets me everytime. People aren't against terrorism in general, they are against terrorism against them. Happy to turn a blind eye to Jewish terrorism because you feel safe, you feel like you won't be the target. Do you think that French Arabs feel the same confidence as you do that Jewish terrosists if given the chance won't attack them too?

What is Jewish Terrorism? Can you give examples?

Israel is not a terrorist organisation. HTH

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 13:38

Do you think that French Arabs feel the same confidence as you do that Jewish terrosists if given the chance won't attack them too?

Oh come on. I can paste the list of terrorist attacks in France over the last two decades, and who was responsible.

notimagain · 02/08/2025 13:39

soupyspoon · 02/08/2025 13:33

I dont know what a lot of those letters mean, however on your last point about screening processes, I mean whats that going to look like ?

Erm are you anti semitic? Do you wish death to all Jews? Do you want to see the end of the Jewish state?

Oh of course not officer, no Im happy as things stand and in fact my best friend's mothers, neighbours, cat's milk man is a Jewish person, please let me in.

FAFO..

Can we use The F word here? How about "Fart Around, Find Out"...or in other words, "actions have consequences"..

You're right about the screening, no idea what will be done.

I suspect in this case the authorities are sending a message - we are watching you so remember you are not in Gaza anymore..

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 13:39

Can we use The F word here?

Yes. You've always been able to swear as much as you like on MN, just obviously not directed at another poster.

For those asking, FAFO is Fuck Around, Find Out.

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:40

Vivi0 · 02/08/2025 13:23

What risk to French Arabs?

Israeli’s aren’t running around Paris on shooting sprees, killing 137 people in a single day.

They aren’t driving trucks into crowds.

They aren't beheading French teachers or priests.

France has and has had enough problems will Islamic extremism and terrorism. They care about actual risk.

Does that mean you would support a blanket ban on visas for Israelis?

What has any of this got to do with Israeli’s? Why are you dragging Jewish people into a situation that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

the Charlie Hebdo attacks weren’t that long ago either. France are right to be cautious about accepting people from an Islamic extremist terrorist state.

But heaven forbid Jews aren’t somehow blamed or moaned about on these threads. I can’t recall a terror attack in the name of Judaism but we have to treat them like they are as bad

dairydebris · 02/08/2025 13:43

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:37

What is Jewish terrorism?

I'd say some of the settler actions in the West Bank amounts to terrorism.

notimagain · 02/08/2025 13:44

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:40

the Charlie Hebdo attacks weren’t that long ago either. France are right to be cautious about accepting people from an Islamic extremist terrorist state.

But heaven forbid Jews aren’t somehow blamed or moaned about on these threads. I can’t recall a terror attack in the name of Judaism but we have to treat them like they are as bad

Charlie Hebdo, Nice, Samuel Paty...and there have been others...

Too darn right about French politicians being cautious on this issue.

soupyspoon · 02/08/2025 13:46

dairydebris · 02/08/2025 13:43

I'd say some of the settler actions in the West Bank amounts to terrorism.

You could be right, but how does that affect what decision should be made about whether an Israeli would be safe to let into your country?

If the Israelis are committing terrorist atrocities in the West Bank and in Gaza, how does that lead to assumptions they will do the same in Paris or London? For what purpose? To gain what?

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 13:46

Charlie Hebdo, Nice, Samuel Paty...and there have been others...

There have been, in both France and Germany, a constant stream of stabbings and car attacks more recently. It seems to have eased off the last few weeks but earlier this year it was at least one a week.

Barely makes the news - normalised, almost.

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:48

dairydebris · 02/08/2025 13:43

I'd say some of the settler actions in the West Bank amounts to terrorism.

Is it in the name of Judaism with 100% Jewish oppressors enforcing Jewish beliefs on others?

I don’t think there are actually any proscribed Jewish terrorist groups. Not to mention that Israel only has 76% Jewish population, so I’m not sure we can call those Jews either.

OneNeatBlueOrca · 02/08/2025 13:50

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:40

the Charlie Hebdo attacks weren’t that long ago either. France are right to be cautious about accepting people from an Islamic extremist terrorist state.

But heaven forbid Jews aren’t somehow blamed or moaned about on these threads. I can’t recall a terror attack in the name of Judaism but we have to treat them like they are as bad

The Jewish people's faith isn't so brittle that they feel the need to gun down anyone who criticises it. Unlike the Charlie Hebdo gunmen.

Islam wants to impose it's beliefs on the entire world. Jews don't proselytise and conversion is discouraged.

OneNeatBlueOrca · 02/08/2025 13:51

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:48

Is it in the name of Judaism with 100% Jewish oppressors enforcing Jewish beliefs on others?

I don’t think there are actually any proscribed Jewish terrorist groups. Not to mention that Israel only has 76% Jewish population, so I’m not sure we can call those Jews either.

Jews dont proselytise. They actually discourage conversion and they do not force their beliefs on anyone. Quite the contrary

Islam.on the other hand.

dairydebris · 02/08/2025 13:51

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Vivi0 · 02/08/2025 13:53

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 13:40

the Charlie Hebdo attacks weren’t that long ago either. France are right to be cautious about accepting people from an Islamic extremist terrorist state.

But heaven forbid Jews aren’t somehow blamed or moaned about on these threads. I can’t recall a terror attack in the name of Judaism but we have to treat them like they are as bad

Trying to frame French citizens as being at equal or greater risk from Jewish “terrorists”, to that of Islamic terrorism, is utterly deranged.

Did the past decade of Islamic terror attacks in France just not happen?

Were there some Jewish terror attacks that I missed?

Also, what is with the push to try and frame Islamic terrorism as some kind of “natural disaster” type situation that no one can (or should try to) do anything about?

France are absolutely right to take steps to minimise any further risk to the people living in their country.

Where are people’s heads at?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/08/2025 13:55

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Fully agree with this,

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 13:58

For anyone interested, here's the list of terror attacks in France in the 21st century.

It's a long list, and the only times Jewish people are included is when they've been targets or victims:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France#21st_century

List of terrorist incidents in France - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France#21st_century

LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 14:00

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 13:58

For anyone interested, here's the list of terror attacks in France in the 21st century.

It's a long list, and the only times Jewish people are included is when they've been targets or victims:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France#21st_century

maybe they’d wished they tarred people with the same brush much sooner

Vivi0 · 02/08/2025 14:06

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 13:58

For anyone interested, here's the list of terror attacks in France in the 21st century.

It's a long list, and the only times Jewish people are included is when they've been targets or victims:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France#21st_century

the only times Jewish people are included is when they've been targets or victims

Exactly.

Which is why it is incredibly concerning and, quite frankly disturbing, that people are trying to push a narrative that there is any kind of risk from Jewish “terrorists”. Or that France don’t have anything to worry about from taking in people from Gaza.

What is actually going on here?

Radicalisation? Anti-semitism?

What is it that is happening?

Charabanc · 02/08/2025 14:08

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Notmycircusnotmyotter · 02/08/2025 14:09

Why on earth would they evacuate Palestinians? It's inviting trouble

EasternStandard · 02/08/2025 14:10

Vivi0 · 02/08/2025 14:06

the only times Jewish people are included is when they've been targets or victims

Exactly.

Which is why it is incredibly concerning and, quite frankly disturbing, that people are trying to push a narrative that there is any kind of risk from Jewish “terrorists”. Or that France don’t have anything to worry about from taking in people from Gaza.

What is actually going on here?

Radicalisation? Anti-semitism?

What is it that is happening?

True

SpaceRaccoon · 02/08/2025 14:12

What is actually going on here?
Radicalisation? Anti-semitism?
What is it that is happening?

I feel like many people are viewing the situation as how they think it should be, not how it is. Then they respond accordingly.

quantumbutterfly · 02/08/2025 14:13

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LadyCankleOfGrantham · 02/08/2025 14:15

Some people seem to be hard wired to, whenever there’s a modicum of justified criticism of Palestinians, to parrot “But, but…Israelis!”. I’m not going to ponder why because I already know the answer

Dangermoo · 02/08/2025 14:16

HellsBalls · 02/08/2025 12:55

@itt “France doesn't seem to care about the risk to French Arabs by letting Israelis in? ”

How many attacks have been carried out by Jews in France?
How many attacks have been carried out by Islamists in France?

That one was a corker. Serious delusion.