Why aren't women and children being evacuated from gaza?

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I've just seen horrific photos of starving children on a news article. Why on earth are we not evacuating them? The population isn't huge, if split between many countries the cost of supporting them would be minimal compared to other expenditure.
I don't understand how it's been left to get to this point without anyone intervening, or really how everyone hasn't intervened.
Who cares about the land at this point, these are children who are likely to die by the look of them, who could live a happy healthy life somewhere else.

You missed the point. PP are saying there's a fault with Palestinians that's why according to them they were not evacuated into neighbouring countries.

So does this also apply to Israeli's who are clearly unwanted in some places. Is it also their fault?

I don’t know thats why I asked, why?

Deciding whether or not to allow large numbers of refugees from a particular place into your country is not the same as tolerating a restaurant representing the cuisine of a country whose current government you’re not agreeing with.
I don’t know why the surrounding countries won’t take in Gazan refugees.
Some of them had negative experiences in the past, like Jordan and Lebanon, and their reluctance seems to be based on that, at least partially.
What would the reason to smash up an Israeli restaurant in a completely different country be?

Probably the same motivation that some people have in dismissing Palestinian suffering.

They see them as collectively responsible for the actions of their government.

Doesn't make either of them ok.

I guess that people who choose to exclude and/or attack Israelis purely based on their government’s actions might just dislike Israelis (or Jews in general, but they will hardly admit it). Why else would they harass those people?
I might have missed something, but I haven’t seen Russians being treated like that around the world, definitely not to that extent, despite their government launching an unprovoked attack on a neighbouring country.

Yes, but when people deny access to refugees they might (rightly or wrongly) explain it with security concerns.
No such concerns exist in the case of a restaurant.

If they were to allow Palestinians to take refuge in other countries, where do all the posters thinking this is a good idea, think they should go? As many neighbouring countries in the middle east do not want to take any would they be spread throughout Europe? The U.S? South America?
The population of Gaza has a massive amount of young people and children in it so we'd be talking masses of people

Why can't you discuss this without bringing in the Nazis? Ridiculous holocaust inversion. You clearly know nothing about the Second World War, how and why it happened, or what the Holocaust was. Never mibd any understanding of this war.

I’m sorry, but no. This is not another holocaust, and if you knew anything of the history of the holocaust or the 2nd world war, you would not make that comparison. And as a basic point, Britain did not go to war with Hitler because of his genocide, it was because he invaded Poland and sought to invade us as well. Following your train of argument, do we also invade the DRC? Yemen? Somalia? Syria? Myanmar? North Korea? There are other wars, other atrocities, other starving children. The lens is always only on Gaza.

I can't actually believe you are denying it. There are children dying of malnourishment every hour. I know a lot about the Holocaust and WW2 and find the personal attack very hurtful and deeply unnecessary. Get back to me when you've been to Berlin and visited concentration camps like Auschwitz. Think you are perhaps covering for your own ignorance. I'm not really sure what else would you call a whole eradication of people and starving them to death. But clearly you know best.

Personal attacks on me don’t change reality. You’ve not answered my points. If you’ve been to Auschwitz you know that the Holocaust went way beyond starvation to building factories of death. What is happening in Gaza is appalling, but there are other wars, other atrocities, other starving children. We cannot invade all those countries; we cannot save every child in the Congo, Yemen, even Ukraine. There was a complete lack of outrage - and still is - about the Yazidi and the Rohingha and the Congo. We failed to support the Syrian people when they were being slaughtered by Assad.

@YourBrickTiger I'm going to assume you are asking this question in good faith about What I'm struggling with aside from the actual situation is why are the likes of American and UK troops not storming the place to stop Israel? Surely that's how Hitler was stopped?

The simple answer is that the America and the UK are allies with Israel so we certainly won't be "storming the place" anytime soon. The difference with Hitler is that he was the enemy of America and the UK - we were at war with his government at the time as I expect you know .

Also, some people do find genocide inversion offensive, especially those who may have Jewish family or connections (Google it if you're not familiar with the term). Which is why they get upset when certain words are used (which you may or may not care about, I don't know).

I deeply recent you implying that I was minimising the Holocaust. I've spent the last year striking out at people who keep doing that. If my words made you think otherwise then that's on me. Of course I know what happened during WW2 and I've seen those death factories for myself.

I just feel that Gaza is heading the same way but again - you could be right with the other countries you refer to. Seeing the pictures of so many dying children is too much. And it does very much seem that Netanyahu is just trying to eradicate them. I don't understand why he isn't being taken out. But yes, you're right that it does apply to other places which aren't highlighted as much. All the best.x

Its nothing like the Holocaust...unless you are going for a very vague 'people are dying' type comparison.

'Malnourishment' was not what the Holocaust was about. If you have been to Auschwitz you would know that the Holocaust was systematic. It was a long term strategy to dehumanise the Jewish people, dismantle their livelihoods and civil rights and then sytematically murder them in an industrial death complex. The Jews did not wage war on the German state or people. Unlike Hamas. The comparison completely inaccurate and deeply offensive.

Yes I totally appreciate that.The Holocaust is one of the worst cases of mass murder in history and the whole thing makes me physically ill. If that didn't come across I apologise - I have been shouting at people for a year who are minimising the Holocaust because of what Israel is doing now.

I know and fully accept that. I am sorry if my post was badly worded. I regularly speak out against the Holocaust and really do have an issue with anyone who minimises it compared to what is going on now. What I'm trying to say is that it does feel at the minute that a whole wiping out of a nation is happening again. No offence at all was intended. I'd happily knock out anyone denying the Holocaust or the severity of it.

is there a large Jewish population in Cyprus or Greece ?

Yes i am well aware that not everyone who lives in Israel is Jewish.

There are Jewish communities in Scotland and England, and USA. I believe there is a small very small community in Ireland whether that be North or South I cannot say.
The Jewish community in Glasgow appears to be smaller than it was 20+ years ago, where have you all gone - but that would be a whole thread in itself.

Ok I don't think you meant to offend anyone & thank you for your apology.

I think the language you used made it look like you were trying to minimise the Holocaust but that you genuinely didn't mean to do that. If you look up holocaust inversion you may see what is upsetting people.

Are there not Palestinian refugees that have been living in refugee camps in the surrounding countries for decades? Would you condemn yourself and your children to that existence?
I honestly don’t think the answer to this is to remove the Palestinians and give their country to the Israelis.

What I don’t really understand is how we can have the technology to drop precision bombs but not to drop food and medicine? I don’t know why we have to wait for the Israelis to give permission for us to save starving people.

There are more than half a million Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, and many refugees were naturalized in Jordan.
Ultimately, nobody wants to be a refugee. It's a sad life and very hard to build a community if you don't have a place to call home.
Taking Gazans away from their home would equate to wiping out their nation. Particularly when you look at what's happening in the West Bank at the moment.

I think a big reason that other countries aren't offering to take in refugees from Gaza is that Palestinians have no right of return so Egypt for example could have 2 million extra people overnight that would never be allowed back, I'm sure if any country offered to take them Israel would be rubbing their hands with glee, but really why should they be driven from their land at all?