Why aren't women and children being evacuated from gaza?

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I've just seen horrific photos of starving children on a news article. Why on earth are we not evacuating them? The population isn't huge, if split between many countries the cost of supporting them would be minimal compared to other expenditure.
I don't understand how it's been left to get to this point without anyone intervening, or really how everyone hasn't intervened.
Who cares about the land at this point, these are children who are likely to die by the look of them, who could live a happy healthy life somewhere else.

I don't care either about the religion of those killed or murdered. However, as this board , primarily contains reference to the plight of one religion, to the exclusion of the other, I like to provide balance.

Well my eyes are wide open I am not going to debate this with you. You are obviously entrenched in your denial.

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I'm talking about when they are compared, on here, to score points.
Often it is to demonstrate the reality of what is happening to those trying to justify it which is sick that it has to be done

You can really keep trying to prove something with trying to shame me and other posters
I don't need to try and do anything people can read all your posts and form their own opinion

I haven't seen a starving adult...have you? I'm pretty sure if there were starving adults, we'd have seen them or been told about them.

Good job I'm not at all perturbed by those people's opinions. I will stand by what I have the right to say.

Three things from me.

1. Egypt and Jordan have both previously had their fingers burnt when allowing Palestinians into their countries.

2. The suffering of the children is horrific. But I was watching the BBC last night, a man holding a clearly very unwell child, it was shocking. But it was also noticeable that he himself looked well fed and well groomed. Much of the footage we are seeing of clearly hungry people has well fed men in the background. And this is in stories emphasising the plight of women and children, not stories trying to refute it. Why? Who are these men? Why don’t these men put women and children first?

3. I can’t think of anything worse than having a baby in Gaza at the moment, it must be horrific and my heart breaks for the women and children. But any baby born now has been conceived in these conditions. Why are men still impregnating women in this situation? It’s wicked IMO. Why is this never discussed?

My own observation is that there is a substantial group of Palestinian men who really don’t care about women and children. Their spending on tunnels and weapons shows this (how come they still have loads of weapons if they’ve run out of food - priorities?). Their initial attack showed this, their refusal to release the hostages shows this, their lack of care of their own women and children shows this. How can we expect Israel to tolerate these people (men). I feel very sorry for ordinary people whose future has been wrecked largely by their own government.

Hamas need to return the captives and they need to stop taking the food and medicine off women and children.

Cos no one wants Hamas and their supporters. Rightly so.

Imagine if people had started agonising about Hitler and his supporters not having enough lunch in 1943.

I’d agree I think it’s really important to consider the wider situation. I get that the photos are shocking (and beautifully shot) and I want the conflict to end. I want all the conflicts to end, can you imagine what humanity would be capable of if we actually worked together rather than a series of conflicts where some people get very rich and lots of people suffer.

I don’t think Hamas cares about civilians they are a human shield and can be used, starved and disposed of as necessary. Within the region this is not new or shocking. People and especially children suffering and dying from acute malnutrition is not new or shocking. The rates of children in Sudan suffering from acute malnutrition is about double that of the Palestinian based on information coming from the UN.

I do hope people consider why we are being fed information about this conflict and to what end. I don’t think knee jerk reactions to public opinions seem to make for good long term decision making. However that seems to be increasingly the way the western world is going.

It’s interesting I never see a starving Hamas soldier. They are all muscly, full of energy for fighting, shouting, punching, stomping around and all the drama. So they either eat all the food from the children they are supposed to protect (nasty and greedy) or nobody is starving in Gaza, and they just use it as a weapon to make Israel look bad.
The “women and children” propaganda is always used heavily to play on the soft heart of woke liberal Westerners.
Why don’t people complain about the starving children of Yemen and Syria? Because they don’t give a shiiiiiit! Their charity is somehow selective.

https://www.youtube.com/live/L-v1kXYW6UU?si=MnvQ68F49dZ-P4-P

Just watch this

I do complain about the starving children elsewhere but at least there are far fewer people trying to justify or deny their starvation

Of course far fewer people try to deny the starvation in Syria or Yemen. Because it is proven as a fact. Starvation in Gaza? I’m yet to see credible, unbiased proof. In fact more and more people doubt it.

Please tell me which credible organisations are refuting claims of starvation in Gaza?

You know the ones who dismiss and deny starvation in Gaza are like the ones who say hostages had a great time in Gaza.

Two sides of the same coin.

Both deluded.

I expect it suits the violent men in power, on all sides, to keep them there.

No I think you find more and more people believe it

and there are far more people suggesting it isn’t happening than I ever saw suggesting the hostages were happy

I never saw that
but there are at least a couple of genocide deniers on here

Spot on.

There are two possible scenarios for Hamas.

In the first, they launch an attack on Israel, evacuate their civilians, and fight a conventional war. Israel responds, targets their fighters directly, and ultimately defeats them with minimal civilian casualties.

In the second - which is what we’ve seen - they launch an invasion, deliberately keep civilians in harm’s way, embed themselves in homes, hospitals, and schools, and build terror tunnels beneath densely populated areas. This forces Israel into a brutal dilemma: either strike and risk civilian deaths, or hold back and let Hamas regroup. Either way, the world watches, then blames Israel, not Hamas.

The war is won militarily, but antisemitism explodes globally after decades of infiltration, and Hamas gains propaganda victories by turning dead civilians into weapons.

Given those two choices, it’s no surprise which one Hamas picked. They don’t aim to win on the battlefield, they aim to win in the court of public opinion, even if it means sacrificing their own people.

I have seen some people say Hamas should have/ could have evacuated.

Can I ask how Palestine was supposed to evacuate its civilians? Innocent Palestinians essentially live in a prison, they cannot leave. We’ve all seen boat loads of Israeli’s leaving Israel (rightly so if they are frightened), but at least they have the choice.

I am by no means in support of Hamas, but I am just so blown away by people justifying what is happening in Gaza, to innocent people. What happened on October 7th is absolutely terrible, horrendous a nightmare for those hostages and those who were sadly killed by Hamas, but the response for nearly 2 years is unjustifiable. It is a genocide!

If you are pro-palestinian, you are anti-Semitic or a terrorist sympathiser, but those in support of the Israeli government and their genocidal war mongering lunatic of a leader can say what they want! Justifying shooting kids trying to get aid, dehumanising a whole race of people, believing un reputable news sources making false claims. It beggars belief!

Nothing anyone says can make me believe Israel is right, it’s gone too far. The world isn’t coming to save those poor innocent babies in Gaza and some people are happy about that. Disgraceful.

Nobody wants them.
Why not.
Why do other Arabic or Muslim countries not want them.

However it should have been the people living in Israel that should have been evacuated, it was them that were invaded, murdered, raped and held and still being held ! hostage.

Where were the pleas from Governments to open our homes to the people living in Israel - like there was for the Ukrainian people when Russia invaded them / began a war against them.

By the look of things in Cyprus and Greece nobody want’s the Israeli’s either. Why?

Why did protesters in Greece deny access to Israeli tourists? Why was an Israeli restaurant in Berlin vandalised? Why were two of the Israeli embassy staff in Washington DC shot dead?
Do you think it’s because people are just trying to express their legitimate criticism of the Israeli government?

Anti-Israel sentiment in Europe is very high. I don't think many Europeans want to see Israelis, especially those who participated in the genocide to come to the EU.

Is that fair? Do you think that Israelis are to blame for the growing anti-Israel sentiment? Is it their fault that people are protesting that they even land in their country for a vacation, let alone settle there.