Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Firstly some Palestinians have chosen to leave and gone through great difficulty and expense to get out knowing they are unlikely to be ever allowed to return.

Secondly an organised refugee programme where they can get temporary refuge in a neighbouring country until it is safe to return is not what is being offered. Once Palestinians leave they will not get back and Gaza will no longer be their home. That's ethnic cleansing. You wouldn't accept this for Israelis so not sure why you think Palestinians should.

The two things are very different

Which armies are working in these conditions? genuinely curious as I can’t think of any off the top of my head and I’m happy to admit of I’m wrong.

It reduces the chances of civilians getting shot. I think thats a good thing. It’s been bad enough. Do I like the idea of putting people in any kind of camp anywhere in the world, no I really don’t. Do I think the Israelis need to withdraw from Gaza yes, do I think Hamas need to be destroyed for any chance of future stability for Gazans and Israelis yes.

The problem is how do you get from where we are today to the peace and stability bit. How do you wind down this war whilst ensuring that Hamas are not in place at the end of it. It’s all very well handwringing about it but theres a war and decisions have to be made about how to wind it down.

Who’s offered to take them? I keep seeing this talk of resettling but which country has offered to take Gazans? If Gazans wish to leave and someone is offering them citizenship instead of refugee status then they can absolutely go for it. But Netanyahu himself has said if people want to stay they can. This isn’t a mass expulsions event.

There is a difference between expelling an entire people from their land and letting them leave if they want to.

It's insulting to the people debating on this thread in good faith for you to lower the fact some support Israel to "Palestinians are brown".

I don’t think Palestinians have anything to be proud of tbh.

Their cause to annihilate Israel has been a massive failure, it has destroyed Palestinian quality of lives for decades and the loss of life on both sides has been a disgusting pointless waste.

Yes I agree.

Hamas did those things not Palestinians.

What have Hamas done to make you think they care one jot about what happens to ordinary Palestinian civilians?

This will not be a factor in whether or not they agree to a ceasefire. They will just be concentrating on what they can get out of it.

That's the whole point of a ceasefire. I'm sure Netanyahu will be doing the same.

Hamas rejected the last round because they wanted to be back in charge of aid. Remember that warehouse where Hamas started shooting civilians who broke into it. There was so much flour, it was astounding how much was in there, not distributed, waiting to be sold. It was really awful. They can’t be in charge of aid, GHF is chaotic but at least they aren’t selling it.

So Hamas are not Palestinians?

Palestinians didn’t conceive of and create Hamas?

Palestinians didn’t elect Hamas to govern them?

Your mental gymnastics to separate Hamas from
Palestinians must be tiresome.

Hmm let me think... why would Palestinians want to leave...

I hope and think a lot would be more pragmatic than you and think my life is shit here and my children have nothing ... moving might be a very attractive option as long as a country will take them and offer them decent housing, schools, etc.

Sooooo the first concentration camps that the British used in South Africa are just going to be glossed over? Cool.

The current talks are intended by the USA to be a ceasefire leading to the end of the war. Hamas is basically saying they want an end to the want, stay in place and no hostages released until Israel leaves. Israel is saying they want the hostages back and Hamas out of Gaza before they will agree to an end.

The sticking point is hamas in gaza and the hostages. If Hamas were minded they could stop it all right now.

There was a joke in Lebanon that Iran would fight to the last Lebanese. This whole thing remind me of that. Hamas will fight to the last Palestinian standing.

And they are going to get fair treatment in another country when you see the vile posts like @Anonimummy that brands them all terrorists?

Concentration camps were called that before the Second World War, in the Boer War, for instance, where Boer civilians were 'concentrated' in holding camps by the British (to our shame).

Some Palestinians celebrated it as you well know.

Not all of them and maybe not the majority of them, I don't know the level of support for Hamas amongst Palestinians in Gaza. But it's true that not all of them should be called "proud" if they have supported Hamas and the actions of Hamas.

I agree Netanyahu will also be trying to achieve the best outcome for himself.

But he does at least show some concern for his own citizens - unlike Hamas.

It's baffling to me that you think they actually care about what happens to their own citizens after the war since they have shown no care for their welfare during the war (or in starting the war).

Hang on my words are being twisted here. I never once mentioned proud in the context of the conflict but proud as in a people who have survived so much over the past 80 years and still had a high level of education. Still had celebrations and families and prepared traditional food and created businesses even when everything was stacked against them. Still had a strong literary tradition.
Had pride in where they were from and the beautiful country that was Palestine. I have seen so many videos celebrating life and culture in Palestine pre war and the amazing

That was why they are proud and should not have to leave permanently.

Again I never mentioned Hamas.

Why wouldn't they get fair treatment in another country if the other country has agreed to take them and is being paid to take them?

Why are you assuming that a country likely to be in the middle East would not treat them fairly?

Since the holocaust the term "concentration camp" is mainly identified with Jews and Nazis. Is it too much to ask that people who know that that term is triggering for some people should avoid it, if they are debating in good faith?

No one is saying don't talk about the "camps" but I can understand why using that particular phrase will be triggering for some people on these threads.

Do you have a source for that 80% figure?

I don't think anyone has suggested they should "have" to leave permanently more that they could get offered the opportunity to resettle in another country after the war.

You don't seem to understand why they might want to but I do and think you might be surprised by how many do want to leave Gaza after the war if that provides better opportunities for them & their children.