Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Already the minimising of this horrific plan has begun - whst a surprise 🙄

The world will wring their hands a bit - then do sweet fanny adams. Why? Well because ;
1: It seems Israel can do whatever the fuck they want.
2: Palestinians are brown and muslim therefore just not that important.

A whole load of more terrorism will be created and will play out in Israel and across the world. Israel will not be safer.

@MixedMetals ”'Peace' to Israel means they will always occupy Gaza, Palestinians will forever be without self determination and they don't care. Loud and proud.”

Peace to Israel is not being subjected to rocket attacks and terrorism everyday, initiated by the Palestinians.

I understand what you are saying @User37482 the plan is to ID civilians and move them into secure areas without Hamas militants amongst them so they can finish whatever operational objectives they have without civilians all over the place.

The proposed plan would undoubtedly reduce the number of civilian deaths (and military deaths) so in that sense it's a good idea.

However, it isn't the best idea re how it looks to the world.

It will be used for propaganda purposes as we already see on MN.

Sigh ... I wish Hamas would just agree to disarm and leave Gaza.

What a surprise to see you minimising people's very legitimate concerns re Israel's safety to a simple Palestinians are brown and Muslim argument.

It's nothing to do with the colour of anyone's skin!

Again with the hysteria

https://static-cdn.toi-media.com/www/uploads/2025/03/Arab-Proposal-.pdf

This is a reconstruction plan drawn up the Egyptians which I think has garnered some interest from various middle eastern countries. It’s an interesting read.

The rebuild is going to be mind bogglingly expensive. No-one is going to be giving Palestinians that kind of cash if they think Hamas is going to do something stupid again and get the whole thing levelled again. Theres a genuine opportunity here for Gazans. The Jordanians and Egyptians have been training PA police officers to move in to provide security after the war is over. And I imagine any investors will want the security situation to be extremely stable before they pour their money in.

There are things happening that point to an expectation of Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. And use your brains, the idea that the IDF (a big chunk of whom are civilians) can permanently occupy Gaza is for the birds. They can’t expel all the Palestinians because literally no country in the region wants 2 million refugees (many have a bad history with the PLO which led to mass expulsions of Palestinians from quite a few countries so they won’t be super keen).

Look taking random quotes is not the same thing as firm policy direction. Feeling very strongly about something is not the same thing as understanding the broader context. I sincerely apologise for coming across as patronising, it is very frustrating to see so much discussion which isn’t rooted in anything apart form vibes.

The minimising of the Palestinian people's plight, and the constant associations of Palestinian equals danger for Israel is rooted in racism for a lot of people. Many posters on mumsnet use the word "Palestinian" instead of hamas. Also being muslim is seen as being more likely to be a terrorist by many racists, i believe that why many people aren't that bothered by whats happening to the Palestinian people.

I didnt minimise danger to Israel, as you well know! I pointed out the very real danger to Israel of increased terrorism because of their behaviour in Gaza.

I don’t know why people think they won’t be death camps. If you move 2 million people (many of whom are already malnourished) into an area that fits 250,000 people especially where the sewage, waste are decimated ect.. disease will take over pretty quickly and people will die. The children first.
@User37482 is anyone talking about the Arab plan? It’s been dismissed.

I imagine from the Israeli perspective they are just drilling down into what they think will work (who knows if they are right). They have been in Gaza too long, the toll on both populations is too heavy. I guess trying to just get it done is the best thing for everyone. Israel need to withdraw and the Gazans need to rebuild. People on mumsnet are irrelevant, people on the streets of western capitals are irrelevant, my posting on here is irrelevant. The middle east will move as the middle east see’s fit.

I don’t know how you finish off Hamas and get the remaining hostages back. I also wish they would just quit it and move to Qatar. How long do you keep going before you admit you lost and in the process screwed your own people. All they need to do is get passage from a friendly government and give back the hostages. It’s very simple.

Whicharab plan, there are probably multiple ones? Dismissed by who?

It's very hard to see how any reconstruction plan can succeed given the absolute chaos in Gaza. Israel will sabotage any attempts that give Palestinians any autonomy, and are de facto already doing that by funding ISIS linked groups
Gaza War: Israel 'giving weapons to ISIS-linked clans' to fight Hamas - The Jewish Chronicle

I swear it feels like the world has gone mad. The government of a country so radicalised that over 80% of Jewish Israelis are pro ethnic cleansing are laying out their plan for ethnic cleansing really clearly. Like they are literally telling us we will lock them up, they can choose to stay locked up with no hope of self determination ever or they can choose to be 'transfered' out of Palestine forever and people are still pretending not to know what is happening. It literally couldn't be clearer.

As an aside I do hope that once Israel have locked all of the Palestinians up they will be welcoming in foreign journalists and independent observers into the rest of Gaza considering it will then be 'safe' and allowing a full investigation into everything that has happened there over the past few years. I'm sure everyone could at least agree that that should happen.

The Arab proposal that you linked to. It was dismissed by Israel.

I’m just surprised that you think that that is the “actual plan” and not what Israel is saying is the plan which is the internment of Gazan’s and the military occupation of Gaza.

I agree the world has gone mad @MixedMetals .. Netanyahu told Trump at dinner last night he has nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize

The fact that Netanyahu should be able to nominate anyone when he has clearly broken every Human right and Trump is able to receive a nomination as the antithesis to peace makes a mockery of the whole thing

Random quotes? In what world is listening to what Israeli ministers have said in the past 24hrs 'random quotes', I'm not digging to see what Katz said 20years ago on a visit to his mother in laws house.

I don’t think this is how it works, the objection was the PA and the involvement of UNWRA for obvious reasons. Gulf nations step into the breech and a plan based on this plan can work. Saying “no we can’t agree to this in it’s current format” isn’t the same thing as saying “we are just going to open death camps instead”.

There will be a plan at some point.

Also are people missing the fact that this creation of this “humanitarian city” is going to happen during the ceasefire?

I wonder whether these gangs armed by Israel are going to be inside or outside of the camps.

The ceasefire of 60 days so once again it will be a rushed job .

It's almost like they don't want Hamas to agree to the ceasefire by giving out information like this

Tbf if I were an army working in a densely populated area I would also not want civilians in my way,
Yet no other modern army working in these conditions have opted for caging civilians in like animals. You can spin this whatever way you want, it is a shocking plan and no one should be trying to justify it.

Listen to what Hamas has been saying. Would you take that as a sign of what Palestinians will actually do. Katz has an approval rating in Israel of 35%, most Israelis don’t like him.

That’s not what they said though. Nobody is reworking the plan based on some negative feedback. They said they were sticking by the Trump Gaza plan. Do you think they are lying and they are waiting for a new proposal?

What other modern army has worked in these conditions?

In a terrorist enclave where terrorists are virtually indistinguishable from civilians?

With a terrorist organisation voted in by its citizens as its governing body?

Again what neighbouring countries have offered to take refugees which is standard in any other war?

Because by taking in refugees from Palestine it is playing right into the ethnic cleansing hands of Trump and Netanyahu.

Why would Palestinians want to leave.. they have spent nearly 80 years trying to remain in a reducing area just go hand over their land to the oppressor.

That is a nonsensical reason and is purely to keep the war ongoing and force a ceasefire which will keep Hamas in power.

If Hamas hadn’t deliberately started this war, there would be no need for neighbouring countries to take in refugees.

Nonsensical to you.
I imagine proud Palestinians would feel very different.

Ethnic cleansing is also a war crime.