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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:16

Martymcfly24 · 08/07/2025 15:06

@ForgesOfEmpires could you clarify what you meant by the paragraph I posted above?

Which paragraph? Sorry, it's coming through as just a QT of my whole post.

Martymcfly24 · 08/07/2025 15:29

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:16

Which paragraph? Sorry, it's coming through as just a QT of my whole post.

You wrote an explanation in your last post where you state how life in Gaza was difficult but not in comparison to life in the Holocaust Concentration Camps.

However your statement in the previous post was in the present tense and then proceeded to write a whole post about Gaza in the past tense pre October 7th.

Do you accept that life in Gaza currently does not in anyway resemble this because this is what people are discussing and instead is more akin (but not the same as) life in concentration camps :

Yes, life in Gaza is difficult. But in
concentration camps, people didn’t go home to their families at night. They didn’t attend school, university, or weddings. They didn’t have houses, malls, cafés, or beaches. They didn’t swim in pools or go for a day at the beach. They didn't have graduation ceremonies or poster on their walls. They languished in filth, starved, and were systematically destroyed.

MixedMetals · 08/07/2025 15:36

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:15

Well, I suppose engaging in the oppression olympics is part of the necessary for some, so let's get some clarity.

Life in Gaza before October 7, 2023 was hard - but the idea that Gazans lived in uniquely unbearable conditions is a narrative built more on ideological exaggeration than objective fact.

Most people in Gaza lived in concrete homes, not tents. Many areas, especially along the coast, had multi-storey buildings, restaurants, cafés, shopping malls, wedding halls, and even private homes with swimming pools. Yes, poverty existed, but there was no mass homelessness. By contrast, in places like Yemen, Sudan, Syria, and Congo, millions live in makeshift shelters or bombed-out ruins with no infrastructure or clean water. In parts of India and Nigeria, slum conditions are unimaginably worse, with families packed into tin shacks, open sewage, and zero government support.

In terms of hunger, the markets functioned, bakeries operated, restaurants were open, and humanitarian aid came in daily. Meanwhile, in Yemen, over 17 million people face real famine. Children die from hunger every day, often unseen by international media. Sudan and Congo have similar death tolls from starvation and malnutrition, with nowhere near the same global attention. I think something like 500k kids under 5 have starved to death since the war in Sudan started.

Healthcare in Gaza, though limited, included functioning hospitals, doctors, and even a medical school. There were universities, schools, and high literacy rates. Gazans pursued degrees and careers. In Afghanistan and parts of Sudan or Nigeria, millions have no access to even basic healthcare. In Taliban-controlled areas, girls cannot go to school, and women cannot even see a male doctor without a guardian. Gaza’s education system was flawed, but it existed and was used.

Before the war, the number of Palestinians killed annually in conflict was in the low hundreds - a tragic figure, but nothing compared to the bloodbaths in Syria, where over 500,000 have been killed, or Congo, where millions have died in decades-long wars. In Sudan and Yemen, ethnic cleansing and bombing campaigns continue with barely a whisper from those who cry genocide over Gaza.

And yes, Gaza is governed by an oppressive, violent terror group. But the average Gazan could still get married, go to the beach, have a family celebration, attend university, or run a business - things utterly impossible in other places nearby that you have absolutely no interest in.

So yes, life in Gaza was “difficult.” There are also millions of people around the world suffering in far worse conditions, without cameras, hashtags, or protest marches in their name.

In my native Egypt, the reality is bleak for millions. The country has endured decades of economic hardship, corruption, and authoritarian rule. Over 30% of Egyptians live below the poverty line, with entire families surviving on a few dollars a day, often in cramped, crumbling housing with limited access to clean water or reliable electricity.

Political dissent is crushed, with thousands jailed without trial, and torture in detention is widespread. Coptic Christians are attacked frequently, including the burning of churches and killings, which have gone unpunished time and again. Women face daily harassment and are often blamed for it, and many rural girls are still subjected to FGM. Life for the average Egyptian - Muslim or Christian - is shaped by fear, economic struggle, and a sense of voicelessness under an unaccountable regime. Yet you rarely see marches or headlines about any of this.

And I’ll say this plainly: any one of the prisoners in Auschwitz would have chewed off their own arm to live the life of an average Gazan on 5 October 2023. Because Gazans had homes, schools, families, days at the beach, weddings, businesses, and a chance at being alive.

It's a shame you couldn't respond to my post in good faith and listen to what was in it.

Are you misunderstanding? This thread is about the new camp Israel want to create on the ruins of Rafah. Not Gaza pre conflict. People have used the term concentration camp on relation to the new camps.

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ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:44

Martymcfly24 · 08/07/2025 15:29

You wrote an explanation in your last post where you state how life in Gaza was difficult but not in comparison to life in the Holocaust Concentration Camps.

However your statement in the previous post was in the present tense and then proceeded to write a whole post about Gaza in the past tense pre October 7th.

Do you accept that life in Gaza currently does not in anyway resemble this because this is what people are discussing and instead is more akin (but not the same as) life in concentration camps :

Yes, life in Gaza is difficult. But in
concentration camps, people didn’t go home to their families at night. They didn’t attend school, university, or weddings. They didn’t have houses, malls, cafés, or beaches. They didn’t swim in pools or go for a day at the beach. They didn't have graduation ceremonies or poster on their walls. They languished in filth, starved, and were systematically destroyed.

Ah sorry, I wasn't clear. Sick day and son keeps asking me for food!

I was talking about life in Gaza before the war, when people frequently compared it to a concentration camp. Reading it back I can see that wasn't clear, sorry!

Now, it is a live war zone, so that's about the worst possible thing in the world to be in - but that is a measure of war, and not life generally in Gaza.

Add to that, the only war zone I think I have ever heard of where they didn't evacuate civilians to safe neighbouring countries, which is a source of deep shame for my country.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:50

I did understand.

There seems to be a determined effort, no matter the facts, to frame Gaza as a “concentration camp” - even when that label doesn’t remotely apply. It wasn’t true before the war, when people lived in houses, studied at universities, ran businesses, got married, and went to the beach. And it’s not true now - even during a terrible urban war and it would still not be true under the worst hypothetical scenarios people are conjuring up in this thread.

The one constant isn’t the evidence; it’s the desire to force this grotesque comparison into every conversation about Israel.

And frankly, it’s disturbing.

Comparing Gaza - a conflict zone with tragic realities - to the Nazi death camps, where millions were systematically starved, tortured, and gassed is deeply offensive. It’s a form of rhetorical abuse designed to demonise Israel by evoking the darkest imagery possible, even when the facts don’t tally. It trivialises the Holocaust and weaponises it against its victims' descendants.

I’m exhausted by this.

We’re now at the point where people aren’t just condemning real actions - they’re trying to pre-condemn Israel for things that haven’t even happened. It’s not about human rights anymore. It’s about finding any angle, however dishonest or inflammatory, to vilify one side no matter what.

I really don't understand what people get from it.

MixedMetals · 08/07/2025 15:53

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:50

I did understand.

There seems to be a determined effort, no matter the facts, to frame Gaza as a “concentration camp” - even when that label doesn’t remotely apply. It wasn’t true before the war, when people lived in houses, studied at universities, ran businesses, got married, and went to the beach. And it’s not true now - even during a terrible urban war and it would still not be true under the worst hypothetical scenarios people are conjuring up in this thread.

The one constant isn’t the evidence; it’s the desire to force this grotesque comparison into every conversation about Israel.

And frankly, it’s disturbing.

Comparing Gaza - a conflict zone with tragic realities - to the Nazi death camps, where millions were systematically starved, tortured, and gassed is deeply offensive. It’s a form of rhetorical abuse designed to demonise Israel by evoking the darkest imagery possible, even when the facts don’t tally. It trivialises the Holocaust and weaponises it against its victims' descendants.

I’m exhausted by this.

We’re now at the point where people aren’t just condemning real actions - they’re trying to pre-condemn Israel for things that haven’t even happened. It’s not about human rights anymore. It’s about finding any angle, however dishonest or inflammatory, to vilify one side no matter what.

I really don't understand what people get from it.

I would say you are exhausted because you don't seem to understand the thread? People are talking about the proposed camp on the ruins of Rafah. Not Gaza itself no matter how many times you repeat that.

Do you think we should just discuss death camps after thay have happened? Just let it happen, let 2 million people be caged and then go ah now, that's not right!

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Tooblondetooyoung · 08/07/2025 15:55

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:44

Ah sorry, I wasn't clear. Sick day and son keeps asking me for food!

I was talking about life in Gaza before the war, when people frequently compared it to a concentration camp. Reading it back I can see that wasn't clear, sorry!

Now, it is a live war zone, so that's about the worst possible thing in the world to be in - but that is a measure of war, and not life generally in Gaza.

Add to that, the only war zone I think I have ever heard of where they didn't evacuate civilians to safe neighbouring countries, which is a source of deep shame for my country.

What we're talking about is the intended creation of a 'settlement', where people from a particular ethnic background (Palestinians) will be forcibly taken, and not allowed to leave. The plans call for all Gazans to be forcibly detained there.

Given behaviour of the IDF when Gazans try to collect food, it's inevitable that anyone trying to leave the settlement would be shot.

So you're talking about fences and control towers and likely snipers shooting people trying to leave. This is what we are saying has very uncomfortable historical parallels.

Somehow Israel expects Hamas to uphold its end of the ceasefire, while simultaneously, during this ceasefire, building a 'camp' that will exacerbate the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 16:08

MixedMetals · 08/07/2025 15:53

I would say you are exhausted because you don't seem to understand the thread? People are talking about the proposed camp on the ruins of Rafah. Not Gaza itself no matter how many times you repeat that.

Do you think we should just discuss death camps after thay have happened? Just let it happen, let 2 million people be caged and then go ah now, that's not right!

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Step 1: The thread began with a discussion about Rafah.
Step 2: Very quickly, people started calling it a future concentration camp.
Step 3: Someone rightly pointed out that using that term was unhelpful and caused pain.
Step 4: Another person replied that they didn’t care as it was a concentration camp
Step 5: I stepped in to agree that the comparison was inappropriate and explained in detail why, including the context that this same baseless accusation has been made for years.
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Instead of engaging with that point or even acknowledging a word that was said, you’ve repeatedly sidestepped it. You’ve accused me of not understanding the thread or the conversation.😧

It seems we've reached the point where people admit the "concentration camp" label wasn’t accurate when it was used all these years - but now insist it will be accurate based on something that hasn’t even happened yet. You’re basing that on a sliver of information that could change tomorrow or turn out to mean nothing at all. And if I don’t pre-emptively agree that this future situation will somehow be equivalent to actual concentration camps, and approve the use of this language, then what exactly am I supposed to be? Deluded? Immoral? It’s absurd

As I said, the one constant isn’t the evidence; it’s the desire to force this grotesque comparison into every conversation about Israel. And frankly, it’s disturbing. Because why do people want so desperately to use terminology relating to the holocaust when they are accusing Jews of something? I find it genuinely freaky.

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 16:23

Tooblondetooyoung · 08/07/2025 15:55

What we're talking about is the intended creation of a 'settlement', where people from a particular ethnic background (Palestinians) will be forcibly taken, and not allowed to leave. The plans call for all Gazans to be forcibly detained there.

Given behaviour of the IDF when Gazans try to collect food, it's inevitable that anyone trying to leave the settlement would be shot.

So you're talking about fences and control towers and likely snipers shooting people trying to leave. This is what we are saying has very uncomfortable historical parallels.

Somehow Israel expects Hamas to uphold its end of the ceasefire, while simultaneously, during this ceasefire, building a 'camp' that will exacerbate the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians.

Here’s the reality: Gaza is an active warzone. Much of it has been reduced to rubble - not because anyone wants that outcome, but because Hamas embedded its fighters, weapons, and command centres inside civilian areas, in schools, hospitals, homes. As a result, large parts of Gaza are currently uninhabitable. People need to be moved somewhere safer - not permanently, not to imprison them, but to survive and get on.

They can't be kept in collapsed buildings, in crossfire, with no food, water, or medical support so people will have to work together on a solution. I take these news articles and announcements with a pinch of salt for many reasons - not least that what happens next will have to be by international consensus.

Inventing a death camp with sniper towers or shoot-to-kill orders is just not a factual claim. Why you are all doing it is beyond me, but seeing as this thread appears to be a "make crap up about the Jews" kind of thing, I am going to leave it. I have spent decades of my life listening to this same nonsense.

MixedMetals · 08/07/2025 16:26

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 16:08

Step 1: The thread began with a discussion about Rafah.
Step 2: Very quickly, people started calling it a future concentration camp.
Step 3: Someone rightly pointed out that using that term was unhelpful and caused pain.
Step 4: Another person replied that they didn’t care as it was a concentration camp
Step 5: I stepped in to agree that the comparison was inappropriate and explained in detail why, including the context that this same baseless accusation has been made for years.
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Instead of engaging with that point or even acknowledging a word that was said, you’ve repeatedly sidestepped it. You’ve accused me of not understanding the thread or the conversation.😧

It seems we've reached the point where people admit the "concentration camp" label wasn’t accurate when it was used all these years - but now insist it will be accurate based on something that hasn’t even happened yet. You’re basing that on a sliver of information that could change tomorrow or turn out to mean nothing at all. And if I don’t pre-emptively agree that this future situation will somehow be equivalent to actual concentration camps, and approve the use of this language, then what exactly am I supposed to be? Deluded? Immoral? It’s absurd

As I said, the one constant isn’t the evidence; it’s the desire to force this grotesque comparison into every conversation about Israel. And frankly, it’s disturbing. Because why do people want so desperately to use terminology relating to the holocaust when they are accusing Jews of something? I find it genuinely freaky.

I haven't even used the phrase concentration camp. I just don't understand why you felt the need to derail a thread by talking about a Gaza that nobody will ever see again. Instead of engaging with what Israel have actually done, what they are now saying they will do you are off rabbiting on about what Hamas could do in alternative universe and Gaza two years ago.

I couldn't give a toss what people want to call this proposed camp unless they try and argue that it isn't unequivocally wrong or it's a way to keep Palestinians safe.

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Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 17:04

@ForgesOfEmpires your contribution on this thread and others has been very valuable and illuminating to many of us.

I understand it can be exhausting talking to people who move the goalposts, don't respond to what you actually say, make up things and are more interested in getting into arguments on MN than having a sensible discussion.

I just wanted to say, of course it's obvious that you do understand the subject of the thread (better than most, including me) & you haven't derailed it. The personal insults & point scoring always just come out at a certain point.

Take some time out if you are feeling exhausted by it but please come back!

PaxAeterna · 08/07/2025 17:06

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 15:50

I did understand.

There seems to be a determined effort, no matter the facts, to frame Gaza as a “concentration camp” - even when that label doesn’t remotely apply. It wasn’t true before the war, when people lived in houses, studied at universities, ran businesses, got married, and went to the beach. And it’s not true now - even during a terrible urban war and it would still not be true under the worst hypothetical scenarios people are conjuring up in this thread.

The one constant isn’t the evidence; it’s the desire to force this grotesque comparison into every conversation about Israel.

And frankly, it’s disturbing.

Comparing Gaza - a conflict zone with tragic realities - to the Nazi death camps, where millions were systematically starved, tortured, and gassed is deeply offensive. It’s a form of rhetorical abuse designed to demonise Israel by evoking the darkest imagery possible, even when the facts don’t tally. It trivialises the Holocaust and weaponises it against its victims' descendants.

I’m exhausted by this.

We’re now at the point where people aren’t just condemning real actions - they’re trying to pre-condemn Israel for things that haven’t even happened. It’s not about human rights anymore. It’s about finding any angle, however dishonest or inflammatory, to vilify one side no matter what.

I really don't understand what people get from it.

We are talking about the new internment/death camp proposal that has been put forward by the Israeli government.

this thread isn’t about before the war or even about what is happening right now, it is purely about the new proposal which some are calling a blueprint for crimes against humanity. It is a real thing and although it hasn’t happened yet. It’s worth speaking about as it is a plan.

Why don’t you go read an article about it and then come back and say whether it is a good idea and what you would call the camps.

1dayatatime · 08/07/2025 17:11

@ForgesOfEmpires

"I am going to leave it. I have spent decades of my life listening to this same nonsense."

Unfortunately the views are so entrenched and brainwashed that the facts, local knowledge and your well written and logical posts are quite simply wasted on the self hating of the West liberal contingent.

My fear, as we have already seen with Palastine Action, is the potential radicalisation of this contingent and the terrorist risk this raises to the rest of society.

But I share your frustration and I get much more clarity and logic on Gaza from my Jordanian friends than some left wing angry keyboard warrior on MN.

inamarina · 08/07/2025 17:12

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2025 17:04

@ForgesOfEmpires your contribution on this thread and others has been very valuable and illuminating to many of us.

I understand it can be exhausting talking to people who move the goalposts, don't respond to what you actually say, make up things and are more interested in getting into arguments on MN than having a sensible discussion.

I just wanted to say, of course it's obvious that you do understand the subject of the thread (better than most, including me) & you haven't derailed it. The personal insults & point scoring always just come out at a certain point.

Take some time out if you are feeling exhausted by it but please come back!

I second this. I‘ve found your post immensely informative and valuable @ForgesOfEmpires

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 17:12

Can anyone clarify if it is Israel that is refusing to let Gazans leave to safety in Egypt or that Egypt is refusing to grant them entry?

If the latter is true why is there not more international pressure on Egypt?

Surely that is a better option than ‘death camps’?

Xyloplane · 08/07/2025 17:14

Anonimummy · 07/07/2025 23:24

Makes you wonder why neighbouring Arab countries won’t take in Palestinian refugees doesn’t it?

Isn’t that fairly standard in wartime?

Have any offered?

Palestinians have kept their refugee status for 77 years, why would they lose it now?

So all those who are taking this as true must also therefore believe that Israel is not committing genocide now then?

What is it an open air prison, concentration camp (nice play on what happened to the Jewish people there) or a genocide now?

Because they’re not refugees. It’s pretty simple if you’re not a racist or a coloniser. It’s Palestinian land-why should they leave?

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 17:19

PaxAeterna · 08/07/2025 17:06

We are talking about the new internment/death camp proposal that has been put forward by the Israeli government.

this thread isn’t about before the war or even about what is happening right now, it is purely about the new proposal which some are calling a blueprint for crimes against humanity. It is a real thing and although it hasn’t happened yet. It’s worth speaking about as it is a plan.

Why don’t you go read an article about it and then come back and say whether it is a good idea and what you would call the camps.

Thank you. I have read the article.

Here's the definition of a "death camp"....

A death camp (also called an extermination camp) is a specific type of facility designed solely or primarily to kill large numbers of people, usually as part of a systematic, state-sponsored genocide.

The term most commonly refers to the Nazi extermination camps during the Holocaust, such as Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno, and Majdanek. These were not labour camps - though some had attached work sites - but were built with the explicit goal of mass murder, primarily by gas chambers, starvation, and forced medical experimentation.

What Israel has announced in Gaza - creating a controlled humanitarian zone for displaced civilians during a war - is not a death camp.

The facts are that Gaza is a warzone that has become uninhabitable after months of fighting against a terror group that fires rockets from schools and hides in tunnels under hospitals. Civilians must be relocated to an area where they can have shelter, food and some kind of infrastructure.

How that will happen actually remains to be seen - as I said, it will require international consensus so AFAIK there might be a new plan tomorrow.

Whatever plan there is, movement may be restricted, and that raises serious human rights concerns which must be balanced with realistic security concerns of all civilians (Palestinians and Israelis).

But it is not a death camp nor a concentration camp. You can criticise Israeli policy without hijacking Holocaust language.

@Twiglets1 Thanks :) I will stay on MN for the next few days - recovering from an op and a few days off work! But I will exit this particular thread as it doesn't seem to be a good faith discussion about plans for Gaza, which for an Egyptian is actually quite an important issue.

Tooblondetooyoung · 08/07/2025 17:20

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 17:12

Can anyone clarify if it is Israel that is refusing to let Gazans leave to safety in Egypt or that Egypt is refusing to grant them entry?

If the latter is true why is there not more international pressure on Egypt?

Surely that is a better option than ‘death camps’?

So straight ethnic cleansing rather than genocide is your suggestion.

Oh goody...

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 17:25

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 17:12

Can anyone clarify if it is Israel that is refusing to let Gazans leave to safety in Egypt or that Egypt is refusing to grant them entry?

If the latter is true why is there not more international pressure on Egypt?

Surely that is a better option than ‘death camps’?

Before going, I will answer this.

Egypt manages the Rafah crossing and closed it to Gazan civilians when the war started, saying they were worried about their security and a big influx of refugees.

Since then, they have repeatedly refused to open the border for Gazans fleeing the conflict, even when Israel proposed allowing medically vulnerable or severely harmed individuals to exit.

While Israel restricts some movement, Rafah is 100% on Egypt.

To answer your question as to why nobody pressures Egypt to do what would happen in any other conflict, that is a bloody good question that pisses me off daily.

PaxAeterna · 08/07/2025 17:27

ForgesOfEmpires · 08/07/2025 17:19

Thank you. I have read the article.

Here's the definition of a "death camp"....

A death camp (also called an extermination camp) is a specific type of facility designed solely or primarily to kill large numbers of people, usually as part of a systematic, state-sponsored genocide.

The term most commonly refers to the Nazi extermination camps during the Holocaust, such as Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno, and Majdanek. These were not labour camps - though some had attached work sites - but were built with the explicit goal of mass murder, primarily by gas chambers, starvation, and forced medical experimentation.

What Israel has announced in Gaza - creating a controlled humanitarian zone for displaced civilians during a war - is not a death camp.

The facts are that Gaza is a warzone that has become uninhabitable after months of fighting against a terror group that fires rockets from schools and hides in tunnels under hospitals. Civilians must be relocated to an area where they can have shelter, food and some kind of infrastructure.

How that will happen actually remains to be seen - as I said, it will require international consensus so AFAIK there might be a new plan tomorrow.

Whatever plan there is, movement may be restricted, and that raises serious human rights concerns which must be balanced with realistic security concerns of all civilians (Palestinians and Israelis).

But it is not a death camp nor a concentration camp. You can criticise Israeli policy without hijacking Holocaust language.

@Twiglets1 Thanks :) I will stay on MN for the next few days - recovering from an op and a few days off work! But I will exit this particular thread as it doesn't seem to be a good faith discussion about plans for Gaza, which for an Egyptian is actually quite an important issue.

Fair enough we’ll have to agree to disagree. I think people will die in large numbers if the camps go ahead. Disease, lack of healthcare, starvation.

But yes I agree that any plan that restricts the movement of people has serious human rights concerns.

I don’t know if it does need international consensus. I can’t imagine there will be many clapping on this plan. All it needs is US blessing.

MissyB1 · 08/07/2025 17:27

Anonimummy · 08/07/2025 17:12

Can anyone clarify if it is Israel that is refusing to let Gazans leave to safety in Egypt or that Egypt is refusing to grant them entry?

If the latter is true why is there not more international pressure on Egypt?

Surely that is a better option than ‘death camps’?

Im interested in knowing why you think Palestinians shouldn't just be allowed to live safely in their own land? Why should they have to live in refugee camps in Egypt? Why should Egypt have to take them in when the Palestinians have (or did have) their own land?

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I’m glad you find it all so amusing. Typical behaviour.

Xyloplane · 08/07/2025 17:40

MissyB1 · 08/07/2025 17:27

Im interested in knowing why you think Palestinians shouldn't just be allowed to live safely in their own land? Why should they have to live in refugee camps in Egypt? Why should Egypt have to take them in when the Palestinians have (or did have) their own land?

They can never answer those questions I’m afraid.

1dayatatime · 08/07/2025 17:41

@MissyB1

"Im interested in knowing why you think Palestinians shouldn't just be allowed to live safely in their own land? Why should they have to live in refugee camps in Egypt? Why should Egypt have to take them in when the Palestinians have (or did have) their own land?"

Err because they might actually want to leave?

By your logic the UK should never take in any refugees from any part of the world - because they have their own land.

Maybe you should think about becoming a Reform candidate?