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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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mids2019 · 29/06/2025 06:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Bobby Vylan of British duo Bob Vylan performs on the West Holts Stage

Police review footage of chants led by Glastonbury acts

The government condemned chants from rap duo Bob Vylan which were streamed live and called for "death" to the Israeli military.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:19

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:16

A movement for change based on anti semitism is not one that good people should be joining.

But it’s not a movement for change based on anti-semitism? Criticism of or opposition to the IDF isn’t antisemitic. The IDF is a state/military institution.

dairydebris · 30/06/2025 14:19

PaxAeterna · 30/06/2025 14:12

@dairydebris i hate when people say that. Have you never been involved in any kind of a movement for change at all? Do you just shrug your shoulders and say oh well it’s nothing to do with me. Do you have no value on the right to peacefully protest?

There is a study that shows that non violent movements are twice as likely to succeed as violent movements.

The last time I marched was against the Iraq War.

I agree apathy is an unpleasant thing to see. I do agree we should have the right to peacefully protest. And we should have the right to protest against those protests if we feel they are calling it wrong.

I think social movements can make change, but I think more in the domestic policy sphere, not high level defence stuff.

Keeping international alliances going, whether or not to go to war, no, I dont feel my voice would be heard, and the older I get the more I agree that should be so. I've no desire to make military decisions. I'd rather leave that to the people with the full picture.

Are you going to tell me why you said I said something I didn't?

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:19

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:07

And I’m not disagreeing with that. As I said, maybe the people fixating on this as the main issue- rather than the thousands of children who have been slaughtered… should reflect on how we’ve got to this point.

It’s the topic of this thread. If people don’t want to discuss Glastonbury there are many other threads.

Sparklybutold · 30/06/2025 14:19

The acts will be influenced by the crowd and sadly we are in an era of performative caring. Tickets are so expensive now it will tend to cater for people who largely have little idea about the deeper issues but add meaning and depth to their lives by empty and ignorant protests. The absolute privelage of being able to protest without fear of repercussions is alarming. To do this at a festival where hundreds of Israelis at another festival were murdered, raped, tortured, with some still being held hostage is frankly disgusting.

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:21

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:16

A movement for change based on anti semitism is not one that good people should be joining.

Can you explain how the Pro Palestine movement is rooted in anti-semitism? Israel are a state not an ethnic group. Does that mean I’m anti-white Christian if I protest against Donald Trumps government? Or that am racist against Indians if I boycott Indian sweatshops? Make it make sense

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:23

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:19

But it’s not a movement for change based on anti-semitism? Criticism of or opposition to the IDF isn’t antisemitic. The IDF is a state/military institution.

I think @SharonEllis summed it up perfectly as to why it is anti semitic.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:24

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:18

We've already discussed this upthread.

I think we concluded collective responsibility wasn't a good thing.

Yes, this was my response to @dairydebris who seemed to want to fixate on the semantics of responsibility…to deflect from the actual moral and political issue- which is the UK’s role in enabling mass violence and human rights violations.

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:26

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:21

Can you explain how the Pro Palestine movement is rooted in anti-semitism? Israel are a state not an ethnic group. Does that mean I’m anti-white Christian if I protest against Donald Trumps government? Or that am racist against Indians if I boycott Indian sweatshops? Make it make sense

Listen to a Jewish spokeswoman on Glastonbury and how it made people feel. Don’t stop reading a statement half way through and you’ll get closer.

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:27

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:24

Yes, this was my response to @dairydebris who seemed to want to fixate on the semantics of responsibility…to deflect from the actual moral and political issue- which is the UK’s role in enabling mass violence and human rights violations.

If the UK population is morally responsible for the actions of it's government and must bear the consequences then the population of Hamas is morally responsible for the actions of Hamas and the Russians are responsible for the actions of Putin. You can't have it both ways.

Hence why we concluded collective responsibility bad. As it would mean the Gazans are morally responsible for the consequences of the actions of Hamas. Are they? Discuss.

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:30

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:18

What are you talking about here. I get Emily Eavis statement could make you feel uncomfortable as you are pro what happened.

She does use those words if you get past ‘crossed the line’

"Their chants very much crossed a line and we are urgently reminding everyone involved in the production of the Festival that there is no place at Glastonbury for antisemitism, hate speech or incitement to violence," she wrote.

Read it again. She doesn’t attribute those things to what they said. It’s cleverly worded. Glastonbury has been Pro Palestine for literally decades. I’m not uncomfortable with it in the slightest…I know where they stand and it’s not with the Zionists. I think Bob could probably have used more nuanced phrasing, but fuck me if only some of you would get pissed off but the actual killing of actual babies. Sometimes you’ve got to crack a few eggs.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:31

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:19

It’s the topic of this thread. If people don’t want to discuss Glastonbury there are many other threads.

So you want to discuss what happened at Glastonbury but not reflect on the causes for or reasons it might have happened. Ok then.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:32

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:27

If the UK population is morally responsible for the actions of it's government and must bear the consequences then the population of Hamas is morally responsible for the actions of Hamas and the Russians are responsible for the actions of Putin. You can't have it both ways.

Hence why we concluded collective responsibility bad. As it would mean the Gazans are morally responsible for the consequences of the actions of Hamas. Are they? Discuss.

I’ve already discussed this upthread. It’s not comparative.

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:33

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:31

So you want to discuss what happened at Glastonbury but not reflect on the causes for or reasons it might have happened. Ok then.

I’m fine with talking about the topic of this thread yes. If people don’t want to discuss that there are others.

You can raise whatever you like if you want to focus on something go for it, as we all will.

2024onwardsandup · 30/06/2025 14:33

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:21

Can you explain how the Pro Palestine movement is rooted in anti-semitism? Israel are a state not an ethnic group. Does that mean I’m anti-white Christian if I protest against Donald Trumps government? Or that am racist against Indians if I boycott Indian sweatshops? Make it make sense

Because the groups who are behind the pro Palestine movement have a stated aim of killing all the Jews. I mean it’s not subtle. That’s what they want to do.

the pro Palestine movement is not about a concern for the Palestinian people - or it would not keep glossing over the awkward reality of Hamas, the Muslim brotherhood etc etc

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:34

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:32

I’ve already discussed this upthread. It’s not comparative.

I disagree

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:35

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:30

Read it again. She doesn’t attribute those things to what they said. It’s cleverly worded. Glastonbury has been Pro Palestine for literally decades. I’m not uncomfortable with it in the slightest…I know where they stand and it’s not with the Zionists. I think Bob could probably have used more nuanced phrasing, but fuck me if only some of you would get pissed off but the actual killing of actual babies. Sometimes you’ve got to crack a few eggs.

I’m fine with it as a statement, cleverly worded or not.

It highlights the things that shouldn’t be at a festival and says they crossed a line.

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:36

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:26

Listen to a Jewish spokeswoman on Glastonbury and how it made people feel. Don’t stop reading a statement half way through and you’ll get closer.

Well that’s a bit lazy. The way someone feels doesn’t make an action anti-Semitic. I understand it’s uncomfortable for Jewish people I really do. And many of them also hate what the Israeli government are doing. My heritage is Jewish ffs (not practising). All the more reason for us to be talking about the atrocities that are ongoing

mouthpipette · 30/06/2025 14:38

Because the groups who are behind the pro Palestine movement have a stated aim of killing all the Jews. I mean it’s not subtle. That’s what they want to do.
@2024onwardsandup

I've read some nonsense on these threads and this has just won the prize, unless of course you can provide evidence.

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:38

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:35

I’m fine with it as a statement, cleverly worded or not.

It highlights the things that shouldn’t be at a festival and says they crossed a line.

This is like debating with cardboard

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:38

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:36

Well that’s a bit lazy. The way someone feels doesn’t make an action anti-Semitic. I understand it’s uncomfortable for Jewish people I really do. And many of them also hate what the Israeli government are doing. My heritage is Jewish ffs (not practising). All the more reason for us to be talking about the atrocities that are ongoing

It’s a bit lazy to not listen in the first place.

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:39

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:38

This is like debating with cardboard

My thoughts exactly on your posts.

Tangfastic71 · 30/06/2025 14:40

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 14:38

It’s a bit lazy to not listen in the first place.

I’ve been listening for years

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:41

EasternStandard · 30/06/2025 13:07

What would you do regarding Hamas though?

If they were still present what role would they have going forward

I would let formula in for babies for a start.

dairydebris · 30/06/2025 14:43

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/06/2025 14:32

I’ve already discussed this upthread. It’s not comparative.

It is comparative.
I didn't vote for labor. I take no responsibility for the UK's policy towards Israel / Palestine. Most citizens of Gaza didn't vote for Hamas. Even if they did, they didn't decide on the 7 October policy. They take no responsibility either.
You've yet to convince me that UK citizens can be held accountable for UK government policy towards Israel, while simultaneously Gazans not be held responsible for Hamas. That seems like obvious double standards to me. I'm happy to hear any arguments otherwise but would prefer direct language rather than Google copy and paste.

PaxAeterna · 30/06/2025 14:45

Quirkswork · 30/06/2025 14:09

It's not the UKs business.
But as discussed upthread the fact Jews are frightened in the UK is our business. And the idiots at.Glastonbury contributed to this. The fact that anti semitic chants were heard and then broadcast by the BBC should disgust all right thinking people. I'm amazed at the amount of anti semites coming out of the woodwork in the last year or so. Lumping a group of people together, giving them the same charactistics, equating being Jewish with being responsible for Israel's actions.

The line has been blurred and people should take a good look at their motivation for taking a particular "side".without recognising there are two sides in this conflict. Nuance has been lost to extremism. Therefore there will sadly be no solution or end to this.

I actually don’t agree with the chants at all. I would not personally call for the deaths of any group of people no matter their actions. It’s fine to criticise Bob Vylan for their words; but not if you remain silent over the destruction in Gaza.

I agree with Wes Streeting on the matter. We should call out hateful, violent talk from either side. This is not a football game. But to focus only on protesters while ignoring the daily violence inflicted on Palestinians is wrong.

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