Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Exactly like the tenant farmer situation in Ireland. Irish family suddenly discover their farm is now "owned" by a British landlord (that's if they weren't evicted or forcibly displaced somewhere else), who can then sell his estate to whoever he wants or evict them at will. And they have to pay rent for the privilege.
So a colonial power says I now own this land and suddenly you have no rights over what was your property.
Happened all over the world sadly. And it wasn't right.

I’m happy to see that now Kneecap and Bob Vylan have successfully ended their careers.

They won’t be able to get visas for the US, and festival organizers won’t want their festivals infiltrated with pro-Palestine protesters as that will attract negative coverage, and the right wing. Most likely local licensing won’t be granted. Game over boys. Well done.

Israel is our ally. The relationship benefits us in some way too, probably in ways that you and I aren't aware of. I'd put real money on Israeli intelligence helping to stop the recent planned Iranian terrorist attack. So no, I dont take responsibility for my government actions. And I accept I dont know it all, and I'm thankful that I never have to make a decision about what is an acceptable levels of violence after a terror attack. It's outside my skill set.

there we have it… of course denying civilians- disproportionately children- food for months on end, flattening entire neighbourhoods, rolling over civilians with tanks… and systematically targeting civilians trying to get aid parcels is an unacceptable level of violence. its outside my skill set

so October 7 just doesn’t even feature for you? The hostages?

I am genuinely intrigued to know what you think Hamas do??? Are you just pretending that they don’t exist?

Jews were also forced to move from Gaza.

I agree that humans should always speak out against human rights violations. I dont think that this automatically equates to us taking collective responsibility for our governments actions. Perhaps you feel I'm being pedantic about this- I think that would be fair enough.
The reason I'm going on and on is that I worry there's a short logical leap between collective responsibility and collective punishment. One can be used to justify the other. That can be a big problem. I dont hold myself accountable for my government. I dont hold all Palestinians accountable for Hamas. I dont hold all Jews accountable for BN. I dont want to live in a world where populations are held accountable for government actions.

Nothing Hamas did on October 7th justifies the scale of violence inflicted on Palestinians since. Collective punishment, especially when it devastates civilians- children, families, entire communities- is morally indefensible.

This point was about who’s behind the pro pal movement in the UK and the fact that this moron said that there was zero body count from the Israeli side..

but it’s also entirely unhelpful to just pretend that Hamas don’t exist and aren’t unspeakably awful
and that is a significant factor in how this conflict has evolved.

And it’s also about what Hamas is doing now to Gazans. Who do you think takes the aid? Who don’t think hides in the tunnels? Who don’t think embeds themselves among civilians without wearing identifiable military clothing?

So you’d rather be silent/complicit? Votes, voices, responsibility helps shape outcomes. We have a duty to speak out, especially when our government is supporting the violations of international humanitarian law. Surely that kind of responsibility can help prevent collective punishment?

Look at body counts 0 versus 56k+

Its hard to understand how anyone can believe this.

To believe it you have to pretend Oct 7th did not happen, to pretend hostages have not been murdered by Hamas since October 7th, to remain ignorant of the terrorists who have gone into Israel to murder civilians since October 7th, and to ignore the fact that 10s of thousands of rockets have been fired by Hamas and Hezbollah into Israel since October 7th.

The only reason the death count in Israel is relatively low compared to that in Gaza is because Israel has better defences. Actually that's not whole story. There is excellent protection for Gazans in the extensive tunnel network Hamas built under Gaza, but Hamas won't let its civilians in there.

I'm sure if they were tenants, and Christians too. And Druze.
The land just gets sold by the "owner".

And yet it still doesn’t justify flattening an entire population and actively starving hundreds of thousands of people

This.

Announced today that Kneecap will play at Irelands biggest festival.

I'm not familiar with Bob Villain but I dont think an Irish language rap group were ever destined for a billboard no1 hit in the states. That they packed out Glastonbury is quite a feat, who would have thought a load of Brits would queue up to sing along to Fenian Cunts 🎶

www.rte.ie/entertainment/2025/0630/1521086-kneecap-join-electric-picnic-line-up/

Yep, but you won't be believed. It's easier to bung all the blame on Netanyahu. If he called a ceasefire tomorrow, Israel would be got at, again. Its enemy won't stop until Israel ceases to exist. All the gullible though won't have it.

Yes, Israel has stronger defence systems like the iron dome. But that still doesn’t justify the scale and disproportionality of their response. The point about Hamas hiding in tunnels while civilians suffer is also important, but it doesn’t excuse bombing residential areas, refugee camps, hospitals, and aid convoys! It’s possible to condemn Hamas terrorism and oppose the mass killing of Palestinian civilians.

But if Hamas base themselves in civilian buildings how are you meant to get them?

A load of brainwashed Brits. I wonder how many of them were represented by teachers, civil service, paramedics, medics plus all the other public sector berks, all singing along to a circus of bigots. Hypocrites.

But that is not what the pro pal mob do. At all. (See above the apparent 0 body count from Israel..) thst is the whole point. The kneecap cheerleaders don’t condemn Hamas. At all.

they don’t acknowledge the part that Hamas and its own war crimes play in how this conflict is playing out.

they don’t seem to give a fuck that Hamas steal aid, Hamas shoot people taking aid, Hamas deliberately put civilians at risk. All of this is ignored. Because they are idiots - which is what the topic of this thread is

It’s zero because they don’t think Jewish deaths count

That’s been happening since medieval times and is still happening today all over the uk.

You can’t just flatten entire neighbourhoods because Hamas might be there. The operations in Iran and targeted assassinations also showed that Israel can conduct highly precise strikes. They have chosen the widespread killing of civilians.

This also doesn’t justify preventing formula or aid getting in either does it? Including a doctor having 10 cans of formula being taken off him at the border.

Being under threat doesn’t mean a state is above the law! You can fight Hamas without destroying entire civilian populations. Or starving newborns. That’s the moral and legal line that’s being crossed.

Music brings people together ❤️

Music does; rap isn't music. It's nothing but a mumbled, stunted chanting of incoherent noise. No wonder Glastonbury misfits enjoyed it.