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Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/05/2025 20:09

The United Kingdom must impose sanctions on the Israeli government and its ministers and take steps to “prevent and punish genocide” in Gaza, according to a letter signed by more than 800 lawyers, academics and former judges.
The open letter to Prime Minister Keir Starmer on Monday called on the British government to take concrete action to halt the “serious violations of international law” being committed by Israel.
“Genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza or, at a minimum, there is a serious risk of genocide occurring,” the letter stated, adding that war crimes, crimes against humanity, and serious violations of international humanitarian law were also taking place.

TakeMe2Insanity · 27/05/2025 20:19

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 20:01

The children of course are innocent and the deaths are tragic. This does not take away from the fact Hamas fighters are being killed in large number and this is underpreorted. The overall narrative can look like the bombing is completely indsicriminate with the aim of just killing as many Palestinains as possible which it patently is not.

Well if that’s the case no one would know because unlike other wars, the main stream press isn’t allowed in Gaza.

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 20:54

Of the main stream press aren't allowed in then should we rely on Hamas?

Martymcfly24 · 27/05/2025 21:44

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 20:54

Of the main stream press aren't allowed in then should we rely on Hamas?

Should we rely on that bastion of honesty and truth the IDF and Israeli Government?

AgingLikeGazpacho · 27/05/2025 22:02

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 07:20

The blitz on London was never described as genocide even by those who suffered. By definition air campaigns can never be truly accurate and civilians tragically lose their lives. This does not been people have been murdered as there was no deliberate attempt to kill these specific people. That is why we have to be so careful when using the word genocide as the immediate public connotation is with the Holocaust which indeed was a genocide.

Excessive collateral damage is a war crime, especially if it is disproportionate and not enough due diligence is done to minimise civilian deaths and destruction of civilian infrastructure. The concept of a war crime as we understand it didn't really exist in WW2, but under a modern lens the blitz could be considered as such.

As an aside and not to derail from the subject matter, but at least during the blitz children were able to be safely housed in the countryside. Where is such safety for Gazan children? 9 children lost their lives due to the IDF's flagrant disregard for Palestinian life.

Of course Hamas is at fault, yes antisemitism exists, but we still have a duty to call out injustices where they exist.

YourOnMute · 27/05/2025 22:50

I believe some of these must be bots. Otherwise my faith in humanity is utterly destroyed.
An Israeli Minister stated a few weeks ago that Gaza will be utterly destroyed. That's just one thing. A Minister.
Utterly destroyed.

AIBUHere · 28/05/2025 01:40

Why hasn’t Egypt opened its border to allow at least women and children refuge from a war zone?

Have you all written to your MPs about that?

Anyway, just putting this here. No one, on a parenting site, has questioned how a mother of TEN children aged 12 and under manages to hold down a job as a paediatrician (I don’t think there’s much in the way of daycare in Gaza).

Especially when she wears a BURKA so is obviously part of a devout Muslim household and that must make it quite a challenge to do her job.

Are we to assume her husband, also a doctor, who drove her to work while leaving all those children at home alone (having been given notice to evacuate the area), did the childcare and she must have gone back to work quite soon after each successive birth?

I mean come on, put your hate of Israel aside for a second and try to use your logic and critical thinking skills instead of accusing people who DO actually use them of being bots which is slightly the pot calling the kettle black if you think about it (ah but then you’d have to use the skills above so a bit of a challenge).

My faith in humanity has been destroyed by people who are full of such hate for a long persecuted group of people that they will believe evil terrorist propaganda over all sense and logic, despite those terrorists live-streaming horrific atrocities that they gleefully carried out for all to see and sacrificing their own their own children for their fucked up ideology.

https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1926752553187803181

Gazan Doctor's Tragic Tale Raises Multiple Red Flags—Which Media Prefer to Ignore | HonestReporting

Who is Alaa Al-Najjar? According to Hamas, she is a doctor and the mother of nine children who were killed in an Israeli air strike on Friday (May 23),

https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/

mids2019 · 28/05/2025 06:14

If there are war crimes we are setting a president that no military targets can be attacked if they are in civilian areas. It was obvious from the outset this was Hamas strategy to simply embed all their fighters in highly populated areas and dare Israel to attack them. There are thousands of Hamas fighters so where are the barracks so they can be targeted ?

On an other note most states at risk of war have air raid shelters. Hamas have refused to create air raid shelters despite having an extensive network of tunnels for their own fighters. Says a lot really.

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 07:21

AIBUHere · 28/05/2025 01:40

Why hasn’t Egypt opened its border to allow at least women and children refuge from a war zone?

Have you all written to your MPs about that?

Anyway, just putting this here. No one, on a parenting site, has questioned how a mother of TEN children aged 12 and under manages to hold down a job as a paediatrician (I don’t think there’s much in the way of daycare in Gaza).

Especially when she wears a BURKA so is obviously part of a devout Muslim household and that must make it quite a challenge to do her job.

Are we to assume her husband, also a doctor, who drove her to work while leaving all those children at home alone (having been given notice to evacuate the area), did the childcare and she must have gone back to work quite soon after each successive birth?

I mean come on, put your hate of Israel aside for a second and try to use your logic and critical thinking skills instead of accusing people who DO actually use them of being bots which is slightly the pot calling the kettle black if you think about it (ah but then you’d have to use the skills above so a bit of a challenge).

My faith in humanity has been destroyed by people who are full of such hate for a long persecuted group of people that they will believe evil terrorist propaganda over all sense and logic, despite those terrorists live-streaming horrific atrocities that they gleefully carried out for all to see and sacrificing their own their own children for their fucked up ideology.

https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1926752553187803181

"because they needed a photo to go with the story of Alaa Al-Najjar, they didn’t bother checking its date, which goes back to December 2023"

Lots of things don't add up but there have been so many stories I don't think anyone checks details.

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 07:28

So is this Dr. Alaa al-Najjar in this
@Reuters
photo, a pediatrician who wears a niqab and is so strictly religious that she was allowed to train in medicine, and still had time to give birth to 10 children in little more than 11 years?

Because the media won't ask the questions. People rarely question. Interesting claims by the Honest John site, so many red flags. The story did its job. Is it true?

Moglet4 · 28/05/2025 07:39

AIBUHere · 28/05/2025 01:40

Why hasn’t Egypt opened its border to allow at least women and children refuge from a war zone?

Have you all written to your MPs about that?

Anyway, just putting this here. No one, on a parenting site, has questioned how a mother of TEN children aged 12 and under manages to hold down a job as a paediatrician (I don’t think there’s much in the way of daycare in Gaza).

Especially when she wears a BURKA so is obviously part of a devout Muslim household and that must make it quite a challenge to do her job.

Are we to assume her husband, also a doctor, who drove her to work while leaving all those children at home alone (having been given notice to evacuate the area), did the childcare and she must have gone back to work quite soon after each successive birth?

I mean come on, put your hate of Israel aside for a second and try to use your logic and critical thinking skills instead of accusing people who DO actually use them of being bots which is slightly the pot calling the kettle black if you think about it (ah but then you’d have to use the skills above so a bit of a challenge).

My faith in humanity has been destroyed by people who are full of such hate for a long persecuted group of people that they will believe evil terrorist propaganda over all sense and logic, despite those terrorists live-streaming horrific atrocities that they gleefully carried out for all to see and sacrificing their own their own children for their fucked up ideology.

https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1926752553187803181

She probably managed it the same way women have done so for centuries- by leaving them in the care of the oldest ones and the other women in the family/community. She’s also a doctor so not as orthodox and strict as you imply.

Whatsinanamehey · 28/05/2025 08:50

Some of you don't know anything about Palestinians or Palestinian society and it shows.

Whatsinanamehey · 28/05/2025 08:51

Apart from the vitriol you pick up from x

Whatsinanamehey · 28/05/2025 08:53

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 07:28

So is this Dr. Alaa al-Najjar in this
@Reuters
photo, a pediatrician who wears a niqab and is so strictly religious that she was allowed to train in medicine, and still had time to give birth to 10 children in little more than 11 years?

Because the media won't ask the questions. People rarely question. Interesting claims by the Honest John site, so many red flags. The story did its job. Is it true?

Are you questioning if she's really a paediatrician? Do you think the British doctors working in Gaza who talk about working alongside her are all lying? That this whole thing including her dead children is just made up to demonise Israel? Do you generally believe in conspiracy theories?

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 09:00

It is tragic enough without the fake pictures either of other people or AI generated and when they are shared (one shared by over a million people) it doesn't help the situation.

"While many media newsrooms and social media users have spread misinformation in an attempt to sympathize with al-Najjar family, they do not help the family; they risk undermining the truth of their tragedy by fueling confusion and misleading narratives."

Whatsinanamehey · 28/05/2025 09:09

Who on here has denied that? That has nothing to do with my post.

YourOnMute · 28/05/2025 09:24

She worked with foreign doctors including British ones who have spoken about this and know her, but they must be lying.
She wears a hijab.
Women work and have children. Even multiple children. This can include working part time, shift work, term time. Or even full time.
This doctor was probably under tremendous pressure to work as Israel have bombed so many hospitals and arrested without charge/killed/ shot (on film) healthcare workers - which are war crimes.
(Warrant from the ICC is another fact).

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 28/05/2025 09:27

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 07:28

So is this Dr. Alaa al-Najjar in this
@Reuters
photo, a pediatrician who wears a niqab and is so strictly religious that she was allowed to train in medicine, and still had time to give birth to 10 children in little more than 11 years?

Because the media won't ask the questions. People rarely question. Interesting claims by the Honest John site, so many red flags. The story did its job. Is it true?

Wow there’s some serious Islamophobia vibes on this thread - you know many muslims wear the hijab or niqab and attend University and have jobs? It is not Syria, there are no rules on women working in Palestine. Do you know any muslims? This is all such backwards and ignorant thinking! Also to correct you on her head dress there are many photos of her wearing the hijab too though I think her head dress is completely irrelevant to whether she is a Doctor and whether she should have been bombed. Imagine the outcry if we said similar about Israeli people and whether how they dress means they should be bombed.

In terms of 10 kids in 12 years there are people who have done that in Ireland, England, the US etc… does that mean they should be bombed? Two of my classmates in school had just under a year between them, their mam had 13 kids, strangely no one bombed her or questioned her right to work. Lots of women go back to work immediately in the US, they don’t get a lot of paid maternity as standard there. I imagine in a war zone when Doctors are needed people go back to work sooner and they have to be more laxed about child care.

All this talk about how she dresses, the size of her family, whether someone was minding the children etc… seems to be designed to distract the conversation away from the fact her kids were murdered and reduced to charcoal. It is to divert us away from the horror - to say that if she is religious she was a legitimate target. If we are arguing about silly things like how many kids she had we are not thinking about those poor kids who were murdered by supremacists.

Also stop with the victim stuff - you can’t bomb people and call yourself a victim that is total DARVO!

YourOnMute · 28/05/2025 09:30

And why should Egypt open its borders? It didn't bloody cause it! Gazans should be in Gaza, not displaced from their home.
The answer is stop the bombing, the shooting and let aid in.

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 09:37

YourOnMute · 28/05/2025 09:24

She worked with foreign doctors including British ones who have spoken about this and know her, but they must be lying.
She wears a hijab.
Women work and have children. Even multiple children. This can include working part time, shift work, term time. Or even full time.
This doctor was probably under tremendous pressure to work as Israel have bombed so many hospitals and arrested without charge/killed/ shot (on film) healthcare workers - which are war crimes.
(Warrant from the ICC is another fact).

Totally and the fake pictures, some AI, some of different women don't help at all. It raises flags. Just honest facts. The demand for evermore awful pictures means pictures being shared of the wrong children, the wrong mother, the wrong raises flags

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 09:39

YourOnMute · 28/05/2025 09:30

And why should Egypt open its borders? It didn't bloody cause it! Gazans should be in Gaza, not displaced from their home.
The answer is stop the bombing, the shooting and let aid in.

Why should Poland etc open their borders for the people of Ukraine? They did because of humanity and the desire to help others. Very simple.

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 09:44

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 28/05/2025 09:27

Wow there’s some serious Islamophobia vibes on this thread - you know many muslims wear the hijab or niqab and attend University and have jobs? It is not Syria, there are no rules on women working in Palestine. Do you know any muslims? This is all such backwards and ignorant thinking! Also to correct you on her head dress there are many photos of her wearing the hijab too though I think her head dress is completely irrelevant to whether she is a Doctor and whether she should have been bombed. Imagine the outcry if we said similar about Israeli people and whether how they dress means they should be bombed.

In terms of 10 kids in 12 years there are people who have done that in Ireland, England, the US etc… does that mean they should be bombed? Two of my classmates in school had just under a year between them, their mam had 13 kids, strangely no one bombed her or questioned her right to work. Lots of women go back to work immediately in the US, they don’t get a lot of paid maternity as standard there. I imagine in a war zone when Doctors are needed people go back to work sooner and they have to be more laxed about child care.

All this talk about how she dresses, the size of her family, whether someone was minding the children etc… seems to be designed to distract the conversation away from the fact her kids were murdered and reduced to charcoal. It is to divert us away from the horror - to say that if she is religious she was a legitimate target. If we are arguing about silly things like how many kids she had we are not thinking about those poor kids who were murdered by supremacists.

Also stop with the victim stuff - you can’t bomb people and call yourself a victim that is total DARVO!

Edited

As usual completely miss the point, the story shared by someone else says about red flags, so why the fakery which allows peopleto question.

Why the misinformation, why the fake pictures, of children that weren't hers, pictures of her that wasn't her, AI etc. No blame on the victims at all. It's the demand for images so some have resorted to fake which helps no one and creates mistrust. I imagine the immediate belief that a picture is what it purports to be for either side helps no one

Whatsinanamehey · 28/05/2025 09:53

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 09:44

As usual completely miss the point, the story shared by someone else says about red flags, so why the fakery which allows peopleto question.

Why the misinformation, why the fake pictures, of children that weren't hers, pictures of her that wasn't her, AI etc. No blame on the victims at all. It's the demand for images so some have resorted to fake which helps no one and creates mistrust. I imagine the immediate belief that a picture is what it purports to be for either side helps no one

This is what you wrote

a pediatrician who wears a niqab and is so strictly religious that she was allowed to train in medicine, and still had time to give birth to 10 children in little more than 11 years?

What does that have to do with the fake images that you now claim is all you were talking about? It doesn't it just stinks of islamophobic stereotypes and bias.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 28/05/2025 09:54

seems to be designed to distract the conversation away from the fact her kids were murdered and reduced to charcoal.
Gulped reading that line.
Heartbreaking.

Namechangedformyanswer · 28/05/2025 09:58

Whatsinanamehey · 28/05/2025 09:53

This is what you wrote

a pediatrician who wears a niqab and is so strictly religious that she was allowed to train in medicine, and still had time to give birth to 10 children in little more than 11 years?

What does that have to do with the fake images that you now claim is all you were talking about? It doesn't it just stinks of islamophobic stereotypes and bias.

I was quoting from the article quoted above. The honest john one. Actually read my several posts on this!