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Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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ssd · 11/06/2025 20:25

I feel very pessimistic in hoping everyone affected by this conflict can achieve peace. Especially the young.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 11/06/2025 20:54

It is odd - still no photos at all of the mum. Maybe she wants to remain private. I sincerely hope they both find some peace and healing now, although I can't really imagine how anyone could recover from such loss.

Badh · 11/06/2025 21:13

I assume all of the medical patients and their families can claim asylum once they are in Italy?

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 21:26

Wasn't Adam operated on by a British doctor after the bombing? Who was working in the hospital, along with other international medics.
Also I thought both parents worked at the hospital. The dad also worked at a clinic and this wouldn't be unusual.
Also I don't understand why it is odd there is "still no photos of the mum". I've seen photos of her. The article linked above has a photo?

Badh · 11/06/2025 21:32

No that is a cousin who has been photographed a few times. She must want her privacy.

Yes a British doctor operated on him.

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 21:36

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 21:54

RandomWordsThrownTogether
I don’t think you have proven that the Doctor lied, if what you said is true (you didn’t provide links) then it shows that he didn’t provide proof and could very well have confused the tags around the wrist.

The first photographs were published by ITV News, who interviewed Dr Ahmed al-Farra on screen although ITV's report doesn't say he took the photographs himself, unlike the Guardian's interview (reminder; 'He provided photographs he said he had taken of one of the dead on arrival at the hospital. The pictures show a hand at the end of a long-sleeved black shirt with a black cord knotted around the wrist.'):
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https://www.itv.com/news/2025-04-02/itv-news-uncovers-new-claims-that-gaza-paramedics-shot-by-idf-were-executed
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/01/palestinian-paramedics-shot-by-israeli-forces-had-hands-tied-eyewitnesses-say

Then three weeks later, Sky News obtained a new photograph of a wrist, a black tie/cord and an information card with text (scroll down quite a long way in the Sky News link);
https://news.sky.com/story/two-hours-of-terror-sky-news-investigation-reveals-how-israels-deadly-attack-on-aid-workers-unfolded-13348776

From the Sky News link;
Representatives of PRCS and Civil Defence, as well as a doctor who saw the bodies [Dr Ahmed al-Farra] have said that at least one victim was found with their hands or legs tied together - claims that Israel has denied.
Photos shared with Sky News and other media outlets as evidence of this claim do show a black plastic tie around one victim's wrist. Attached to the tie is an empty white information card.
The tie appears only on one limb, however, and sources at Red Cross and Civil Defence told us that the white tag appears to be of the kind used by emergency workers in Gaza to identify bodies.
Dr Ahmed Dahair [a different doctor] told Sky News he saw "no clear signs of physical restraints" during the post-mortem examinations".
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Compare the photographs in the links. If you look closely at the photograph in the ITV link you can see the outline of the information card - but the card has been pushed along the tie and turned upside down so that only the blank, muddy side is showing, which then merges into the background. It's obviously not a mistake as someone wearing a surgical glove is lifting up the tie in the first photograph, they must be able to see what the tie is attached to.

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I don't see how Dr Ahmed al-Farra was confused - although I think the lie could be that he wasn't there at all when the bodies of the men were brought in. He most likely didn't see the bodies, didn't examine them but nevertheless he has passed the lie on. Farra is a head of paediatric and maternity care, why would he be there, although I notice that both the Guardian and ITV only describe him as a doctor/senior doctor in their reports, dropping his usual title, as obviously it seems odd that a paediatric and maternity doctor would have examined the bodies of the men in the first place.

Now that I've read Farra's description of Dr Alaa al-Najjar at the morgue, I'm afraid it seems obvious to me that he is involved in propaganda, by force or design and to what extent I don't know.

I don't think his description of Dr. Alaa in the morgue suggests he is involved in propaganda. I imagine the woman was in complete shock, as I'm sure many others were. Do you mean that her eerie calmness was some sort of propaganda? I don't know about you, but I myself has been shocked at how I've responded to events on my life. I thought we had moved on from expecting women to perform in particular ways.
Or is it his language you object to? If so, how? Many cultures have particular ways of speaking. In many Catholic majority countries language is peppered with religious references. Or we perceive a way of speaking as being unusually ornate or flowery.

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 21:46

Thank you. I completely understand her reticence.

Clavinova · 11/06/2025 22:19

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 21:36

I don't think his description of Dr. Alaa in the morgue suggests he is involved in propaganda. I imagine the woman was in complete shock, as I'm sure many others were. Do you mean that her eerie calmness was some sort of propaganda? I don't know about you, but I myself has been shocked at how I've responded to events on my life. I thought we had moved on from expecting women to perform in particular ways.
Or is it his language you object to? If so, how? Many cultures have particular ways of speaking. In many Catholic majority countries language is peppered with religious references. Or we perceive a way of speaking as being unusually ornate or flowery.

I thought his whole description was made up - I don't think Farra examined the bodies of the paramedics and I don't think he was at the morgue or witnessed the scene he described either;

“Alaa went to the morgue, held her children in her arms, recited the Qur’an over them and prayed for them,” said Dr Ahmed al-Farra, 53, the director of the children’s building at the Nasser medical complex. “Other female doctors around her collapsed from grief and rage, but Dr Alaa remained composed. God sent peace upon her heart...

I thought we had moved on from expecting women to perform in particular ways

Well, yes, but I think you are the one expecting too much;

... I want the right not to be strong,” Najjar told La Repubblica newspaper before her evacuation.
“I am a woman whose children were killed, nearly all of them, when all I ever wanted was to protect them. Not just their bodies – I wanted to protect their feelings too. If God allowed this tragedy, there must be a reason. There has to be. But I don’t know what it is.”

Clavinova · 11/06/2025 22:26

YourOnMute
Also I thought both parents worked at the hospital

I think that has been misreported - the brother in Ireland talked about his brother-in-law working from the clinic which also had a pharmacy and a small laboratory for tests.

Stripes56 · 11/06/2025 22:36

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 11/06/2025 13:13

Adam and his mother have been evacuated from Gaza and are being evacuated to Italy. Wonderful news that they are both finally safe. So sad to hear both of their thoughts on the situation. I hope Italy is that beautiful place where they can find peace!

Dr Alaa al-Najjar
”I am not strong. Everyone says I am, they call me a hero because I keep going, but I want the right not to be strong,” Najjar told La Repubblica newspaper before her evacuation.

“I am a woman whose children were killed, nearly all of them, when all I ever wanted was to protect them. Not just their bodies – I wanted to protect their feelings too. If God allowed this tragedy, there must be a reason. There has to be. But I don’t know what it is.””

Adam
“Adam said he wanted to “live in a beautiful place”.

“A beautiful place is a place where there are no bombs. In a beautiful place the houses are not broken and I go to school,” he added. “Schools have desks, the kids study their lessons but then they go play in the courtyard and nobody dies.

“A beautiful place is where they operate on my arm and my arm works again. In a beautiful place my mother is not sad. They told me that Italy is a beautiful place.””

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/11/gaza-doctor-and-son-evacuated-after-husband-and-nine-children-killed-in-israeli-strike

It was a relief to read this- I had been looking out for confirmation of that they had been allowed to evacuate. A really dignified woman. I hope she and her son find some peace after their dreadful experience. I would like to hear more about her life and experiences - if she is ever ready to speak further about it.

Badh · 11/06/2025 22:45

Clavinova · 11/06/2025 22:26

YourOnMute
Also I thought both parents worked at the hospital

I think that has been misreported - the brother in Ireland talked about his brother-in-law working from the clinic which also had a pharmacy and a small laboratory for tests.

Oh i hadn’t realised that there were relations based in Europe.

More information here. https://www.thejournal.ie/brother-woman-nine-kids-gaza-6717437-May2025/

Sligo-based brother of woman who lost nine kids in Gaza speaks out as fundraiser launched

Only one of her ten children survived as a missile hit their home in Khan Yunis last Friday.

https://www.thejournal.ie:443/brother-woman-nine-kids-gaza-6717437-May2025/

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 23:26

Clavinova · 11/06/2025 22:26

YourOnMute
Also I thought both parents worked at the hospital

I think that has been misreported - the brother in Ireland talked about his brother-in-law working from the clinic which also had a pharmacy and a small laboratory for tests.

He did work at that clinic and the hospital. That's not unusual globally.
Also thank you for responding to me...I still don't see anything wrong in that doctor's description. I don't know enough about the other incident to comment on that. I can accept that she could be numb and pray and that others could be desolate.

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 23:27

Badh · 11/06/2025 22:45

Oh i hadn’t realised that there were relations based in Europe.

More information here. https://www.thejournal.ie/brother-woman-nine-kids-gaza-6717437-May2025/

Edited

I heard some of his interview; it was heartbreaking

Clavinova · 12/06/2025 11:48

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 23:26

He did work at that clinic and the hospital. That's not unusual globally.
Also thank you for responding to me...I still don't see anything wrong in that doctor's description. I don't know enough about the other incident to comment on that. I can accept that she could be numb and pray and that others could be desolate.

What role did he have at the hospital? Dr Alaa al-Najjar is a paediatrician. It sounded to me as though he ran the clinic, pharmacy and small lab in the apartment building where they lived (brother-in-law's interview Irish radio).

Clavinova · 12/06/2025 12:01

brother-in-law's interview Irish radio - his brother-in-law - Alaa's brother.

YourOnMute · 12/06/2025 16:43

He did and also worked at the hospital. Due to shortage of medics it is now not unusual for healthcare staff to work shifts at hospitals - the ones that are still operating. However I understand he did work there, not sure what his particular role being of any relevance as the man is now dead.
What interview did you listen to?

Clavinova · 12/06/2025 19:54

What interview did you listen to?

The interview posted earlier in the thread - I listened to the first 20 minutes or so;
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22516531/

Namechangedformyanswer · 13/06/2025 07:18

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 11/06/2025 13:13

Adam and his mother have been evacuated from Gaza and are being evacuated to Italy. Wonderful news that they are both finally safe. So sad to hear both of their thoughts on the situation. I hope Italy is that beautiful place where they can find peace!

Dr Alaa al-Najjar
”I am not strong. Everyone says I am, they call me a hero because I keep going, but I want the right not to be strong,” Najjar told La Repubblica newspaper before her evacuation.

“I am a woman whose children were killed, nearly all of them, when all I ever wanted was to protect them. Not just their bodies – I wanted to protect their feelings too. If God allowed this tragedy, there must be a reason. There has to be. But I don’t know what it is.””

Adam
“Adam said he wanted to “live in a beautiful place”.

“A beautiful place is a place where there are no bombs. In a beautiful place the houses are not broken and I go to school,” he added. “Schools have desks, the kids study their lessons but then they go play in the courtyard and nobody dies.

“A beautiful place is where they operate on my arm and my arm works again. In a beautiful place my mother is not sad. They told me that Italy is a beautiful place.””

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/11/gaza-doctor-and-son-evacuated-after-husband-and-nine-children-killed-in-israeli-strike

That's really dad.

CaramelDonutFilling · 14/06/2025 17:56

CaramelDonutFilling · 29/05/2025 23:21

And now I really hope Israel doesn't drag US (and of course, UK would follow like an obedient dog) into war with Iran. Enough war for heavens sake
Pray for peace!

I thought it may come to this.

YourOnMute · 15/06/2025 01:22

Very perceptive @CaramelDonutFilling .
And now there's no internet in Gaza. And yesterday the UN passed a resolution condemning Israel's acts in Gaza, but very little coverage of this.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 15/06/2025 10:25

YourOnMute · 15/06/2025 01:22

Very perceptive @CaramelDonutFilling .
And now there's no internet in Gaza. And yesterday the UN passed a resolution condemning Israel's acts in Gaza, but very little coverage of this.

Edited

Was the Internet cut off? I heard aid has been paused it feels so hopeless. Heads are now turned to Israel/ Iran you can call me a conspiracy theorist but would be nuts not to question Netanyahu's suspicious timing on attacking Iran. He has now put his own people at severe risk and Israeli children have already been killed in Irans counter attack and for what?

Twiglets1 · 15/06/2025 13:07

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 15/06/2025 10:25

Was the Internet cut off? I heard aid has been paused it feels so hopeless. Heads are now turned to Israel/ Iran you can call me a conspiracy theorist but would be nuts not to question Netanyahu's suspicious timing on attacking Iran. He has now put his own people at severe risk and Israeli children have already been killed in Irans counter attack and for what?

For not very much at all @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

Just a few nuclear bombs...

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 15/06/2025 13:22

Twiglets1 · 15/06/2025 13:07

For not very much at all @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

Just a few nuclear bombs...

I prefer to wait and see if it's more effective than the US/ Iran talk which were scheduled for today before deciding if it's worth the deaths of innocent civilians

YourOnMute · 16/06/2025 01:58

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 15/06/2025 10:25

Was the Internet cut off? I heard aid has been paused it feels so hopeless. Heads are now turned to Israel/ Iran you can call me a conspiracy theorist but would be nuts not to question Netanyahu's suspicious timing on attacking Iran. He has now put his own people at severe risk and Israeli children have already been killed in Irans counter attack and for what?

As far as I know yes, internet was cut off around the time of the attack on Iran. I think people in Gaza who have esims have limited ability to post on social media.
UNICEF stated that it's staff sent a messages every morning saying how they were and it's been silence.

Twiglets1 · 16/06/2025 16:05

Plenty of innocent people would get killed if Iran dropped nuclear bombs @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend