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Conflict in the Middle East

Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 26/05/2025 18:49

Yassnass145 · 25/05/2025 22:50

Absolutely disgusting that some posters on here are even debating if this is a genocide.

Wtf.

These poor innocent men, women and children being killed for land. That's the war goal and Israel has taken over so much of Gaza.

@Yassnass145 , I don’t think people are being killed for land. I believe Isreal is fighting for its existence. They cooked babies in ovens. Jesus!

YourOnMute · 26/05/2025 18:49

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 18:20

No idea. Do you know?

None because nine children were killed.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 19:24

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 26/05/2025 18:49

@Yassnass145 , I don’t think people are being killed for land. I believe Isreal is fighting for its existence. They cooked babies in ovens. Jesus!

How does the murder of nine children as they slept in their beds, protect Israel's existence?

deeahgwitch · 26/05/2025 19:35

As you have written @AgingLikeGazpacho”….The level of Israel’s response to the October attack has been utterly disproportionate and unjustifiable…….”

What if, when the IRA ran a bombing campaign in England during the 70s and 80s, if the British retaliated as Israel have done and bombed parts of Belfast, Derry and South Armagh because they believed IRA leaders were living there ?

Unconscionable.

I just can’t fathom man’s inhumanity to his fellow man.

CaramelDonutFilling · 26/05/2025 19:38

Gazans, bit like Afrikaners come to think of it, are either outnumbered, outsmarted or outmatched by neighbours they "struggle with" The best move is to get these groups away from their enemy neighbours..because if not this kind of thing will happen. We have been doing this since we were hunter gatherers. I saw a doc once two tribes at war, low-level stuff. Handmade weapons. Then one got guns. Went into the next village and wiped them out. This is a tale as old as time. I am sorry but I don't ever think there is going to be a two-state solution.

Most Westerners don't get is politics in the Middle East is clannish. Ancient grudges, in-group preference. Lineage stuff. Things we've mostly forgotten... or thought we left behind. It's very Old Testament.

Israel's survival basically depends on either killing its neighbours, because if it stops, it will be killed, or on liberal countries bankrolling it and even dragging them into wars. Is any of this sustainable? No.

All of this is too tragic for words and I imagine this war has probably put liberalism to bed and reintroduced old ways of being. An eye for an eye.

Anyone who doesn't think the killing of children on either side is evil I cannot understand, except actually I can, because I'm half Arab Jew, converted to Christianity as a teen, and live in the West, and this pretty much sums up my stance

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 26/05/2025 19:46

I was taught by the genocide professor quoted.

He was an exceptional teacher, and a hugely knowledgeable and compassionate man.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 20:49

YourOnMute · 26/05/2025 18:49

None because nine children were killed.

Wow, I guess that if there were any terrorists around, having nine children near by automatically metaphorises them into fine law abiding citizens.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 20:51

deeahgwitch · 26/05/2025 19:35

As you have written @AgingLikeGazpacho”….The level of Israel’s response to the October attack has been utterly disproportionate and unjustifiable…….”

What if, when the IRA ran a bombing campaign in England during the 70s and 80s, if the British retaliated as Israel have done and bombed parts of Belfast, Derry and South Armagh because they believed IRA leaders were living there ?

Unconscionable.

I just can’t fathom man’s inhumanity to his fellow man.

I think that if the IRA had done what Hamas had done - and Britain felt that they were an existential threat - the British army would have responded in similar ways.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 20:52

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 19:24

How does the murder of nine children as they slept in their beds, protect Israel's existence?

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It doesn't. How did Hamas tieing two girls together in ropes and then setting them alight help the Palestinian resistance?

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 20:55

CaramelDonutFilling · 26/05/2025 19:38

Gazans, bit like Afrikaners come to think of it, are either outnumbered, outsmarted or outmatched by neighbours they "struggle with" The best move is to get these groups away from their enemy neighbours..because if not this kind of thing will happen. We have been doing this since we were hunter gatherers. I saw a doc once two tribes at war, low-level stuff. Handmade weapons. Then one got guns. Went into the next village and wiped them out. This is a tale as old as time. I am sorry but I don't ever think there is going to be a two-state solution.

Most Westerners don't get is politics in the Middle East is clannish. Ancient grudges, in-group preference. Lineage stuff. Things we've mostly forgotten... or thought we left behind. It's very Old Testament.

Israel's survival basically depends on either killing its neighbours, because if it stops, it will be killed, or on liberal countries bankrolling it and even dragging them into wars. Is any of this sustainable? No.

All of this is too tragic for words and I imagine this war has probably put liberalism to bed and reintroduced old ways of being. An eye for an eye.

Anyone who doesn't think the killing of children on either side is evil I cannot understand, except actually I can, because I'm half Arab Jew, converted to Christianity as a teen, and live in the West, and this pretty much sums up my stance

Of course killing children is an evil act, if it is done intentionally. That is an absolute no-brainer. You are right, however, that October 7 has killed the two state solution. At least for this generation and next. The only way of peace now will be a regional deal with the Sunni states.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 22:00

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 20:52

It doesn't. How did Hamas tieing two girls together in ropes and then setting them alight help the Palestinian resistance?

So what justification do the IDF and Israeli government give for murdering them?

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 23:35

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 22:00

So what justification do the IDF and Israeli government give for murdering them?

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You have no evidence that they were murdered.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/05/2025 01:23

What would you call "dying by having a bomb dropped on your house" if not murder @Biscuitsformeandyou?

HerNeighbourTotoro · 27/05/2025 06:41

Biscuitsformeandyou · 24/05/2025 23:39

Yes because prior to October 7th that was what Israel was doing... The ruling entity of Gaza started the war. It will end when Israel is forced to end it by the USA or Hamas disarms, whatever comes first.

Killing of Palestinian children was happeniing way before October 7th. It just anyone who was talking about it was being cancelled by the media and evrryone was scared.

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 07:20

The blitz on London was never described as genocide even by those who suffered. By definition air campaigns can never be truly accurate and civilians tragically lose their lives. This does not been people have been murdered as there was no deliberate attempt to kill these specific people. That is why we have to be so careful when using the word genocide as the immediate public connotation is with the Holocaust which indeed was a genocide.

CaptBirdsEar · 27/05/2025 07:29

It will end when Hamas are no more.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 07:43

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/05/2025 01:23

What would you call "dying by having a bomb dropped on your house" if not murder @Biscuitsformeandyou?

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A war

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 07:44

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 07:20

The blitz on London was never described as genocide even by those who suffered. By definition air campaigns can never be truly accurate and civilians tragically lose their lives. This does not been people have been murdered as there was no deliberate attempt to kill these specific people. That is why we have to be so careful when using the word genocide as the immediate public connotation is with the Holocaust which indeed was a genocide.

Yes, it is about intent. Honestly it is as if some of these posters have only just realised that people, even innocent people, die in war.

RabbitsRock · 27/05/2025 07:59

When I first heard the news, I really wasn’t able to comprehend the depth of grief of that woman & her husband ( don’t think he has been mentioned in this thread) or how the remaining boy will process the death of all his siblings. Plus the doctor could still lose ber husband & son as they are critically injured. Beyond heart breaking 💔

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RandomWordsThrownTogether · 27/05/2025 13:27

Biscuitsformeandyou · 24/05/2025 23:37

Yes because the lesson to take away from thousands of years of people trying to kill you and then committing a real genocide is to be pacifists and listen to the moralising descendents of those who killed your grandparents.

You can’t spend your life justifying barbaric acts and blaming it on “thousands of years” of oppression! Ireland had 800 years of it, catholicism banned, the Irish language banned, having land and assets taken, women and children forcibly sent off as indentured servants, millions forcibly starved with the population more than halved due to death and displacement, people had to practise religion secretly in hedges. They talked about the man made famine being good population control and justified the treatment of Irish people by saying that Irish people were more like apes because they have larger than average heads. If you talk to any group of people most will have a history where they were oppressed or discriminated against at some point in time. Today lots of Irish live in the UK, lots of Brits live in Ireland - we’ve all moved past it! My partner is English - I don’t blame him or his family for what his ancestors did in the past, that would be ridiculous. The people who committed those crimes are dead and the victims are long dead too - we have to focus on the present.

The Palestinian’s have had almost 80 years of forced displacement, murder, dismemberment, false imprisonment - their oppression is happening today, not in the past, and you say Israelis are victims because the Palestinians fight back? You don’t get peace through stealing houses and land, through murdering children - you hurt people’s families and they will fight back and the cycle of violence just continues. The way to stop the violence is to stop the theft, stop the murder, open dialogue and treat people the way you would like to be treated. An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 13:35

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 27/05/2025 13:27

You can’t spend your life justifying barbaric acts and blaming it on “thousands of years” of oppression! Ireland had 800 years of it, catholicism banned, the Irish language banned, having land and assets taken, women and children forcibly sent off as indentured servants, millions forcibly starved with the population more than halved due to death and displacement, people had to practise religion secretly in hedges. They talked about the man made famine being good population control and justified the treatment of Irish people by saying that Irish people were more like apes because they have larger than average heads. If you talk to any group of people most will have a history where they were oppressed or discriminated against at some point in time. Today lots of Irish live in the UK, lots of Brits live in Ireland - we’ve all moved past it! My partner is English - I don’t blame him or his family for what his ancestors did in the past, that would be ridiculous. The people who committed those crimes are dead and the victims are long dead too - we have to focus on the present.

The Palestinian’s have had almost 80 years of forced displacement, murder, dismemberment, false imprisonment - their oppression is happening today, not in the past, and you say Israelis are victims because the Palestinians fight back? You don’t get peace through stealing houses and land, through murdering children - you hurt people’s families and they will fight back and the cycle of violence just continues. The way to stop the violence is to stop the theft, stop the murder, open dialogue and treat people the way you would like to be treated. An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.

  1. Please quote me where I justified barbaric acts on this thread?
Gogreengoblin · 27/05/2025 13:41

Abhorrent, that poor, poor woman!
It's ironic and even more devastating that she was helping to care for other children and was dedicated in doing so.
The world is on fire!!!!!

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 14:09

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 27/05/2025 13:27

You can’t spend your life justifying barbaric acts and blaming it on “thousands of years” of oppression! Ireland had 800 years of it, catholicism banned, the Irish language banned, having land and assets taken, women and children forcibly sent off as indentured servants, millions forcibly starved with the population more than halved due to death and displacement, people had to practise religion secretly in hedges. They talked about the man made famine being good population control and justified the treatment of Irish people by saying that Irish people were more like apes because they have larger than average heads. If you talk to any group of people most will have a history where they were oppressed or discriminated against at some point in time. Today lots of Irish live in the UK, lots of Brits live in Ireland - we’ve all moved past it! My partner is English - I don’t blame him or his family for what his ancestors did in the past, that would be ridiculous. The people who committed those crimes are dead and the victims are long dead too - we have to focus on the present.

The Palestinian’s have had almost 80 years of forced displacement, murder, dismemberment, false imprisonment - their oppression is happening today, not in the past, and you say Israelis are victims because the Palestinians fight back? You don’t get peace through stealing houses and land, through murdering children - you hurt people’s families and they will fight back and the cycle of violence just continues. The way to stop the violence is to stop the theft, stop the murder, open dialogue and treat people the way you would like to be treated. An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.

Let’s try for some intellectual consistency here, because I see at least three serious problems with your analogy and framing.

First, you’re comparing the Irish experience to that of Jews/Israelis as if these are equivalent situations that can be “moved past” once enough time passes. The key difference, which is somehow always overlooked in these analogies, is that Israel’s existence is under direct threat today. This isn’t “ancient history” or a question of some group in the past being wronged by another group and then making peace centuries later. The Irish aren’t surrounded by states calling for their destruction or facing regular terror attacks. To suggest that Jews/Israelis can “move on” in the same way is to ignore the existential reality on the ground, and frankly, it’s a distortion of both histories.

Second, your use of language—“murder,” “theft,” “genocide”—demonstrates exactly the kind of moral selectivity that always creeps into these threads when Israel is involved. If you’re going to apply those terms to one side, do so universally. Otherwise, it’s just prejudice masquerading as outrage. Where is the same energy, the same rhetoric, when civilians are targeted by Palestinian actors? “Murder” and “genocide” are very specific terms with legal and moral weight. You shouldn't throw them around as doing so diminishes their meaning but if you can't help yourself than at least be consistent—or admit you’re simply applying a double standard.

Third, you seem to suggest that all Palestinian violence is justified as “fighting back,” with no caveats or limits. Why is it that when Israeli civilians are killed, it’s just “the inevitable result of oppression,” but if Israel acts in self-defence, it’s “barbaric”? Are you saying that atrocities, when committed by the “oppressed,” are exempt from moral or legal scrutiny? That’s not a path to peace or justice; it’s just tribalism and the permanent suspension of ethical standards for your preferred side. The reality is that Hamas took pleasure in killing, brutalising and raping Israelis, and did so up close, in the most heinous, sadistic ways. These were not tragic consequences of conflict or unintended civilian casualties—these were deliberate, celebrated atrocities.

To be clear: the deaths of children and the suffering of innocents is tragic and terrible. But if we want to talk about causes, responsibility, or how to actually stop the violence, it requires applying the same standards to everyone. Otherwise, we’re just perpetuating the same cycle you claim to oppose.