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Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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Stripes56 · 08/06/2025 07:05

@YourOnMute
I totally agree about Christian families suffering too.

Chronic UTIs- poor women. Sanitary products, antibiotics, fuel, water - basic humanitarian needs that have been blocked needlessly.

I heard on the radio there were concerns about how the I GHF were not providing fuel and water to meet needs, that experienced aid companies would know to.

https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-06-04/gaza-needs-more-than-just-food-israel-maintains-blockade-on-fuel-and-hygiene-products.html?outputType=amp

Gaza needs more than just food: Israel maintains blockade on fuel and hygiene products

The shortage of supplies threatens hospital operations and the health of Gazans. The UN warns of a ‘health emergency’ due to the lack of menstrual kits

https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-06-04/gaza-needs-more-than-just-food-israel-maintains-blockade-on-fuel-and-hygiene-products.html?outputType=amp

ssd · 08/06/2025 09:51

The degradation these people must be suffering is mind blowing.

YourOnMute · 08/06/2025 12:33

Yes, there is a reason why experienced UN (based and affiliated) and NGOs work in these environments. These organisations have the skillset required, have the experience, know what they are doing.
I understand that Israel had concerns about UN relief in that area (that is what it stated I believe; I've yet to see any real proof, plus some aid getting through is better than none to starving people is a whole other argument) however they are many NGO's that are third country based, proven neutrality, have experience delivering large amounts of aid to immediate, disastrous and war torn environments. They don't need weapons or barbed wire stations to deliver aid. I still don't understand how one or an amalgamation of same could not be approached.
Israel has continually denigrated the UN in this. It shoots at peacekeepers and makes allegations about it. I wonder why.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 09/06/2025 21:23

AIBUHere · 08/06/2025 00:36

A lot of people didn’t and still don’t believe these accounts, that Palestinians who they may accept took babies, children and the elderly hostage (as well as bodies/heads of people they murdered) burned whole families alive, threw grenades and went on shooting rampages on a music festival because ‘oppression’ could not possibly be capable of rape and horrific sexual torture.

Thankfully the Israelis believe in dignity for the dead and have not plastered pictures and videos of the dead all over SM, but I did see the charred body of a young woman (from how she was dressed), legs spread apart in rigid morris with nails in her vagina. It fucked me up for days I have to say as well as seeing the Thai man having his head hacked off with a garden hoe to cries of Allahu Akbar, Shani Louk’s body paraded in the pick up truck and the woman in just her underwear dragged through the streets on the back of a motorbike as if it was totally normal and something to celebrate.

I also read an account of a young woman being gang raped, her breast being sliced off and her rapists playing with it in front of her before she was shot in the head while still being raped. I mean you couldn’t make that up.

BUT still people, who may consider themselves reasonably intelligent want to believe everything that comes out of these human abominations mouths and repeat it as fact.

Some on here even believe the IDF are more evil and more of a risk than those who carried out those atrocities on Oct 7th.

It beggars belief.

I’ve also noticed accounts from Palestinians which almost mirror the atrocities committed on Oct 7th oddly enough. Classic DARVO which few have picked up.

Thank you. Yeah but it is truly shocking that people don't believe it. They are so keen to believe that Israel is the new Nazi Germany that they are prepared to throw away all semblance of morality to achieve it. Such is their fixation on Jews. Every accusation is a confession.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 09/06/2025 21:57

Biscuitsformeandyou · 09/06/2025 21:23

Thank you. Yeah but it is truly shocking that people don't believe it. They are so keen to believe that Israel is the new Nazi Germany that they are prepared to throw away all semblance of morality to achieve it. Such is their fixation on Jews. Every accusation is a confession.

Who are you referring to here? What people? What accusations are a confession and what are they confessing to?

Biscuitsformeandyou · 09/06/2025 22:59

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 09/06/2025 21:57

Who are you referring to here? What people? What accusations are a confession and what are they confessing to?

Hi, people project their worse fears onto the Jews/Jewish state and turn them/it into the living embodiment of the demons that lay within. And then, for example, they scream genocide while them themselves actually support genocidal groups or deny genocidal acts against the Jews, as is happening with the denial about October 7. People were marching and accusing Israel of genocide in the days after October 7 before Israel had even started a military response.

Hope helps

YourOnMute · 09/06/2025 23:03

Can you provide examples on this thread please as I've already made my thoughts very clear on this.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 09/06/2025 23:12

YourOnMute · 09/06/2025 23:03

Can you provide examples on this thread please as I've already made my thoughts very clear on this.

Let's not go round in circles. Goodnight

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 09/06/2025 23:23

Yes I would also like to know who this is directed to as no one on these threads that I have seen has denied the horrors of October 7th, though many have denied the horrors that have happened since. I also haven’t seen anti semitic posts or pro Hamas posts so if there were some and I am mistaken please share.

I know there are sick people in the world that deny such things just as there are sick people who deny that the IDF have committed unspeakable crimes against humanity too. Both sides have their murders, rapists and both sides have sick people who take pleasure in torturing other human beings. The Hamas militants who carried out those crimes are monsters, but that does not give the IDF the right to kill children, torture doctors and unleash horrors on the population. Those who have committed war crimes on both sides are disgusting and should be condemned by everyone.

Stripes56 · 09/06/2025 23:30

@YourOnMute @RandomWordsThrownTogether
It’s not enough to show no support for Hamas- for some posters you can’t show sympathy for Palestinians without also showing sympathy for Israelis.

Even on a post speaking about the horror of one Gazan woman seeing multiple members of her family having been killed.

YourOnMute · 10/06/2025 01:33

Funny, I have spoken of my sympathy for Israelis on this thread. I'd be some human if I couldn't empathise with a person's pain, no matter who that person is. Everyone has the capacity to suffer and I'm so fed up of suffering.
That doesn't take away from my utter heartbreak at this woman's plight. I actually cannot fathom it.
There's pain everywhere and genuinely it's upsetting. I can acknowledge that Hamas have done wrong but I can also acknowledge that Israel have done wrong. The latter hurts me because - and I don't want this to sound trite - I expected better from Israel. I genuinely did not think I'd be listening to the comments I posted previously (all in a previous post).I did not think Israel would keep up a siege for months while people are starving and dying for basic medical supplies. I did not think it would shoot at diplomats and UN peacekeepers. I did not think it would engage with ISIS supporters in such underhand ways. I did not think it would shoot paramedics, lie about it and then admit it. I did not think it would ignore decades of humanitarian expertise and set up a wholly inadequate new agency. I did not think it would kill medics, journalists and refuse entry to independent war journalists. And there's so much more.
Could you say I'm wrong from expecting more from Israel than Hamas? Maybe, but I don't think so.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 10/06/2025 06:43

Biscuitsformeandyou · 09/06/2025 22:59

Hi, people project their worse fears onto the Jews/Jewish state and turn them/it into the living embodiment of the demons that lay within. And then, for example, they scream genocide while them themselves actually support genocidal groups or deny genocidal acts against the Jews, as is happening with the denial about October 7. People were marching and accusing Israel of genocide in the days after October 7 before Israel had even started a military response.

Hope helps

No it doesn't help at all. It sounds like some kind of theory that you believe in that is not related at all to do this thread. As others have asked who here is denying oct 7th and who is in support of Hamas? There's a lot to unpick in your post so might be best to start a thread on it. If that's not what you want no idea why you posted it here.

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 15:24

What about the British doctor who worked alongside her?

To be fair to the other posters, I don't think the British doctor/s did work alongside Dr Alaa al-Najjar or knew who she was before the tragedy. In the interview clip I saw, the British doctor said; "We heard the story..." of the injured boy's background. The British doctor also incorrectly stated that Dr Alaa al-Najjar's husband worked at the hospital as well, but we know now that he worked from a clinic next to the family home. I think the British doctors were just passing on what they had been told and not all of their information was accurate.

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 16:25

Dr Ahmad al-Farra, a head of paediatric and maternity care at Nasser hospital

Doctor Ahmad al-Farra is the doctor who lied after the incident with the paramedics buried with their ambulance. Despite being a head of paediatric and maternity care, Doctor Farra claimed to have witnessed the arrival of some of the bodies at the hospital and passed on false photographs;
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Guardian
Dr Ahmed al-Farra, a senior doctor at the Nasser medical complex in Khan Younis, witnessed the arrival of some of the remains.
“I was able to see three bodies when they were transferred to the Nasser hospital. They had bullets in their chest and head. They were executed. They had their hands tied,’’ Farra said. “They tied them so they were unable to move and then they killed them.”
He provided photographs he said he had taken of one of the dead on arrival at the hospital. The pictures show a hand at the end of a long-sleeved black shirt with a black cord knotted around the wrist.
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A few weeks later, the photographs were debunked by Sky News - the cord was actually attached to a body identification tag (the tag had been disguised in the original photos) - although Dr Farra was not called out by name.
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I'm afraid to say that his description in Dr Alaa al-Najjar's personal tragedy also raises a red flag that he is an unreliable witness - and yet he is quoted by the British media on a weekly basis. The tragedy is real but his description here reads like propaganda;
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“Alaa went to the morgue, held her children in her arms, recited the Qur’an over them and prayed for them,” said Dr Ahmed al-Farra, 53, the director of the children’s building at the Nasser medical complex. “Other female doctors around her collapsed from grief and rage, but Dr Alaa remained composed. God sent peace upon her heart...

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 10/06/2025 16:43

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 16:25

Dr Ahmad al-Farra, a head of paediatric and maternity care at Nasser hospital

Doctor Ahmad al-Farra is the doctor who lied after the incident with the paramedics buried with their ambulance. Despite being a head of paediatric and maternity care, Doctor Farra claimed to have witnessed the arrival of some of the bodies at the hospital and passed on false photographs;
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Guardian
Dr Ahmed al-Farra, a senior doctor at the Nasser medical complex in Khan Younis, witnessed the arrival of some of the remains.
“I was able to see three bodies when they were transferred to the Nasser hospital. They had bullets in their chest and head. They were executed. They had their hands tied,’’ Farra said. “They tied them so they were unable to move and then they killed them.”
He provided photographs he said he had taken of one of the dead on arrival at the hospital. The pictures show a hand at the end of a long-sleeved black shirt with a black cord knotted around the wrist.
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A few weeks later, the photographs were debunked by Sky News - the cord was actually attached to a body identification tag (the tag had been disguised in the original photos) - although Dr Farra was not called out by name.
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I'm afraid to say that his description in Dr Alaa al-Najjar's personal tragedy also raises a red flag that he is an unreliable witness - and yet he is quoted by the British media on a weekly basis. The tragedy is real but his description here reads like propaganda;
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“Alaa went to the morgue, held her children in her arms, recited the Qur’an over them and prayed for them,” said Dr Ahmed al-Farra, 53, the director of the children’s building at the Nasser medical complex. “Other female doctors around her collapsed from grief and rage, but Dr Alaa remained composed. God sent peace upon her heart...

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It has been proven that the paramedics were executed. Are you trying to imply they were not? Didn’t the IDF backtrack on their denials after they were caught in lie after lie after lie? One paramedic survived by hiding under his friend’s dead body and then shouting that he is Israeli as they were going to murder him. They held him without charge and tortured him in prison.

“The almost seven-minute video, released in April, shows a red fire engine and clearly marked ambulances driving at night, using headlights and flashing emergency lights, which contradicted the initial version of events put forward by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), which denied that the vehicles had their headlights or emergency signals on.

“Al-Nasasra and Radwan were subjected to the heavy gunfire everyone heard in the recording and the very heavy gunfire which continued even after the recording ended as Israeli soldiers continued to shoot at them for a long time,” says Farsakh.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/04/palestinian-red-crescent-details-medics-account-of-15-colleagues-slaughter

Also good analysis of the paramedics recording here by military experts that concluded that shots were fired at close range with the final ones being 12m from the paramedics phone.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg55q1w58jo

Palestinian Red Crescent details medic’s account of 15 colleagues’ slaughter

Exclusive: Asaad al-Nasasra told PRCS he heard Israeli troops shoot first responders while they were clinging to life

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/04/palestinian-red-crescent-details-medics-account-of-15-colleagues-slaughter

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 16:59

RandomWordsThrownTogether
It has been proven that the paramedics were executed. Are you trying to imply they were not?

I don't think it's been proven they were 'executed' - they were certainly killed by the IDF. However my post was about Dr Ahmad al-Farra who was referred to up thread. It's been proven that he lied as well and yet he is still being quoted by the British media every week.

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 17:10

RandomWordsThrownTogether

Incidentally · I noticed that the paramedic in your link featured on the website linked to by one of the pro-Israel posters;

https://honestreporting.com/what-western-media-wont-tell-you-about-paramedics-from-gaza/

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 10/06/2025 18:55

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 17:10

RandomWordsThrownTogether

Incidentally · I noticed that the paramedic in your link featured on the website linked to by one of the pro-Israel posters;

https://honestreporting.com/what-western-media-wont-tell-you-about-paramedics-from-gaza/

Sorry I don’t read opinion websites, if we were to accept any old blog I could write complete nonsense and post a link to it as “proof” - if you want to send me a link to a legitimate newspaper I will read that.

I don’t think you have proven that the Doctor lied, if what you said is true (you didn’t provide links) then it shows that he didn’t provide proof and could very well have confused the tags around the wrist.

It has been proven by military experts reviewing the video of one if the murdered paramedics that the paramedics were shot at close range, some as close as 12metres over 100 times. Shooting unarmed paramedics at a distance of 12metres over 100 times doesn’t sound very accidental and given that they were unarmed sounds very much like an execution. The survivor was going to be shot when he was discovered except he shouted that he was Israeli.

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 21:54

RandomWordsThrownTogether
I don’t think you have proven that the Doctor lied, if what you said is true (you didn’t provide links) then it shows that he didn’t provide proof and could very well have confused the tags around the wrist.

The first photographs were published by ITV News, who interviewed Dr Ahmed al-Farra on screen although ITV's report doesn't say he took the photographs himself, unlike the Guardian's interview (reminder; 'He provided photographs he said he had taken of one of the dead on arrival at the hospital. The pictures show a hand at the end of a long-sleeved black shirt with a black cord knotted around the wrist.'):
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https://www.itv.com/news/2025-04-02/itv-news-uncovers-new-claims-that-gaza-paramedics-shot-by-idf-were-executed
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/01/palestinian-paramedics-shot-by-israeli-forces-had-hands-tied-eyewitnesses-say

Then three weeks later, Sky News obtained a new photograph of a wrist, a black tie/cord and an information card with text (scroll down quite a long way in the Sky News link);
https://news.sky.com/story/two-hours-of-terror-sky-news-investigation-reveals-how-israels-deadly-attack-on-aid-workers-unfolded-13348776

From the Sky News link;
Representatives of PRCS and Civil Defence, as well as a doctor who saw the bodies [Dr Ahmed al-Farra] have said that at least one victim was found with their hands or legs tied together - claims that Israel has denied.
Photos shared with Sky News and other media outlets as evidence of this claim do show a black plastic tie around one victim's wrist. Attached to the tie is an empty white information card.
The tie appears only on one limb, however, and sources at Red Cross and Civil Defence told us that the white tag appears to be of the kind used by emergency workers in Gaza to identify bodies.
Dr Ahmed Dahair [a different doctor] told Sky News he saw "no clear signs of physical restraints" during the post-mortem examinations".
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Compare the photographs in the links. If you look closely at the photograph in the ITV link you can see the outline of the information card - but the card has been pushed along the tie and turned upside down so that only the blank, muddy side is showing, which then merges into the background. It's obviously not a mistake as someone wearing a surgical glove is lifting up the tie in the first photograph, they must be able to see what the tie is attached to.

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I don't see how Dr Ahmed al-Farra was confused - although I think the lie could be that he wasn't there at all when the bodies of the men were brought in. He most likely didn't see the bodies, didn't examine them but nevertheless he has passed the lie on. Farra is a head of paediatric and maternity care, why would he be there, although I notice that both the Guardian and ITV only describe him as a doctor/senior doctor in their reports, dropping his usual title, as obviously it seems odd that a paediatric and maternity doctor would have examined the bodies of the men in the first place.

Now that I've read Farra's description of Dr Alaa al-Najjar at the morgue, I'm afraid it seems obvious to me that he is involved in propaganda, by force or design and to what extent I don't know.

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 22:11

RandomWordsThrownTogether
I am not sure if those of you in Israel and the US can access the BBC iplayer so I have typed up a few extracts from the newsreel.
It ends with* “Israel’s critics say Israel is using hunger as a weapon of war but even by those with weapons themselves Gaza’s hungry are being treated as a threat.”

NB I thought you were being somewhat disingenuous here as I remember the BBC newsreel also ending with;

'Today, survivors cursed Hamas as they carried away the bodies'.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 11/06/2025 09:25

Clavinova · 10/06/2025 22:11

RandomWordsThrownTogether
I am not sure if those of you in Israel and the US can access the BBC iplayer so I have typed up a few extracts from the newsreel.
It ends with* “Israel’s critics say Israel is using hunger as a weapon of war but even by those with weapons themselves Gaza’s hungry are being treated as a threat.”

NB I thought you were being somewhat disingenuous here as I remember the BBC newsreel also ending with;

'Today, survivors cursed Hamas as they carried away the bodies'.

As the newsreels are no longer available and you were not posting at that point (around 10 days ago I think) I assume you have more than one account or have been coordinating with someone else, how very industrious. Flattered that you have felt the need to go back through days of my posts, I post on other threads too if you fancy looking at more articles on the genocide being committed by the IDF in Israel’s name.

I cannot remember the newsreel word for word but I did only type up segments of it - it did have some people who cursed Hamas and people who cursed the IDF somewhere in it, as most newsreels do at the moment - surprising people aren’t a fan of a militant group that terrorises them and whose murderous rampage sparked the start of the IDF’s murderous rampage. They were not saying that Hamas killed the victims if that is what you are implying - I think it is pretty obvious that they are cursing Hamas for taking hostages, for continuing to fight etc… Or were you implying I am pro Hamas, if so how wonderfully predictable.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 11/06/2025 13:13

Adam and his mother have been evacuated from Gaza and are being evacuated to Italy. Wonderful news that they are both finally safe. So sad to hear both of their thoughts on the situation. I hope Italy is that beautiful place where they can find peace!

Dr Alaa al-Najjar
”I am not strong. Everyone says I am, they call me a hero because I keep going, but I want the right not to be strong,” Najjar told La Repubblica newspaper before her evacuation.

“I am a woman whose children were killed, nearly all of them, when all I ever wanted was to protect them. Not just their bodies – I wanted to protect their feelings too. If God allowed this tragedy, there must be a reason. There has to be. But I don’t know what it is.””

Adam
“Adam said he wanted to “live in a beautiful place”.

“A beautiful place is a place where there are no bombs. In a beautiful place the houses are not broken and I go to school,” he added. “Schools have desks, the kids study their lessons but then they go play in the courtyard and nobody dies.

“A beautiful place is where they operate on my arm and my arm works again. In a beautiful place my mother is not sad. They told me that Italy is a beautiful place.””

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/11/gaza-doctor-and-son-evacuated-after-husband-and-nine-children-killed-in-israeli-strike

Gaza doctor and son evacuated after husband and nine children killed in Israeli strike

Alaa al-Najjar and her only remaining son, Adam, who was badly injured in the strike, are due to fly to Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/11/gaza-doctor-and-son-evacuated-after-husband-and-nine-children-killed-in-israeli-strike

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 11/06/2025 13:52

I hope they find their beautiful place and get the support and space to heal physically and emotionally 💔

YourOnMute · 11/06/2025 18:19

I hope so too.
I hope everyone damaged by this conflict receives some kind of peace. I have to hope this.

Clavinova · 11/06/2025 20:23

RandomWordsThrownTogether
As the newsreels are no longer available and you were not posting at that point (around 10 days ago I think) I assume you have more than one account or have been coordinating with someone else

Don't be ridiculous. I wasn't posting on the thread 10 days ago but I was reading the thread 10 days ago - lots of people read threads and don't post. I was thinking about replying to four or five posts (including yours) for several days but didn't - partly because I was busy and partly because it was getting a bit
fractious on here and I wasn't sure I wanted to join in.

I remember very well what I was thinking about posting and how the BBC report ended - with a criticism of Hamas, 'Today, survivors cursed Hamas as they carried away the bodies' [whereas] 'Israel's critics say Israel is using hunger as a weapon of war...' however you only quoted the criticism of Israel. I also thought at the time that you were somewhat exaggerating how underweight everyone looked.

Or were you implying I am pro Hamas, if so how wonderfully predictable

I haven't implied you are pro-Hamas at all.

Adam and his mother have been evacuated from Gaza and are being evacuated to Italy

Well that's good news - the BBC have a photo;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmj09ggdnro

Adam al-Najjar sits in an ambulance with a brace around his arm wearing a dark t-shirt while his cousin, wearing blue and a white headscarf, tends to him.

Adam al-Najjar: Boy whose father and nine siblings were killed in Israeli strike on way to Italy

Adam al-Najjar is evacuated to Milan, where surgeons can work to save his arm which was severely damaged in the attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmj09ggdnro