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Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 13:11

ssd · 07/06/2025 11:54

What are you suggesting @AIBUHere ?

Can you think of a reason, EVERYONE ELSE in the area evacuated but this family didn’t, conveniently the children were in the home alone when it happened.

There are gaping holes in this story, it doesn’t make sense, and it has not been independently verified.

I am suggesting that either Pallywood is on it’s way to an Oscar, the parents were criminally negligent OR they subscribed to Al-Hayya’s confirmed intent to sacrifice themselves for the Muslim
ummah which would not be surprising to anyone with a brain considering the ‘martyrdom’ ideology over there which has decades of evidence. Absolutely sickening to us in the West but not out of the realms of possibility considering the masses of videos of Palestinian parents stating openly they want their kids to be martyrs,

Let me be clear, I don’t believe anything unverified that comes out of Gaza and I question the intelligence and agenda of those who do considering this is a propaganda war.

Badh · 07/06/2025 13:51

Where is the information that everyone else in the area had evacuated? and that the kids were alone in the house. I thought her husband (who has now died of his injuries) had just returned?

It’s difficult for people to evacuate right now as most of Gaza has been evacuated and there are places under evacuation with no safe route out of them. MSF have said this about Nasser hospital.

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 13:55

Badh · 07/06/2025 13:51

Where is the information that everyone else in the area had evacuated? and that the kids were alone in the house. I thought her husband (who has now died of his injuries) had just returned?

It’s difficult for people to evacuate right now as most of Gaza has been evacuated and there are places under evacuation with no safe route out of them. MSF have said this about Nasser hospital.

Where are other casualties quoted for this incident if there was no evacuation?

If the husband had just returned, doesn’t that indicate he’d left!

Nasser Hospital - where Mohammed Sinwar was hiding?

ssd · 07/06/2025 13:58

I cant understand what @AIBUHere means either. And how do they know exactly what happened on that day? I thought it was a strike that hit their house, but @AIBUHere is intimating there is more to it and i want to ask what it is?

ssd · 07/06/2025 14:01

That was strange , your post was deleted then reinstated there, but are you really suggesting the parents sacrificed 9 of their children and the dad too????

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 14:01

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 13:55

Where are other casualties quoted for this incident if there was no evacuation?

If the husband had just returned, doesn’t that indicate he’d left!

Nasser Hospital - where Mohammed Sinwar was hiding?

Sorry that was the European hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-hamas-leader-muhammad-sinwar-killed-in-may-13-strike-on-tunnel-under-south-gaza-hospital/

It another senior Hamas member killed at the Nasser Hospital,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3y046q91no.amp

A fire on the outside staircase of Nasser Hospital throws up smoke as three people watch from higher steps

Israel kills Hamas official in hospital, as Gaza death toll climbs - BBC News

Ismail Barhoum is one of the most senior Hamas figures killed since Israel resumed military action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3y046q91no.amp

Insanityisnotastrategy · 07/06/2025 15:38

Biscuitsformeandyou · 06/06/2025 20:11

Posters think they are so clever. They can provide a non-stop commentary of the moral vacuousness of Israel, make opposition to the IDF the animating purpose of their politics, repeat anti-Israel lies, progoganda and half-truths. Assume bad faith by Israel and those defending the war. And act as if Hamas doesn't exist. And then when someone says that they are not balanced, they just say "but of course I do not support Hamas" before going back to their anti Israel obsession and pro-Hamas propaganda.

I can't speak for everyone, but I genuinely did not expect Israel to flout international law and cause the level of humanitarian crisis that we've seen. Unfortunately yes I do expect it from Hamas, and hopefully this war will be the end of them. But I do not believe Israel are acting in good faith, they've been as guilty of lies and propaganda and there is plenty of evidence for war crimes. Rogue states and terrorist groups are unfortunately familiar territory, but I didn't put Israel in that category which is why I've posted that I can't support them any longer after the way they've conducted this war and their domestic policy of settlements and mistreatment.
One reason it gets so much attention is because this is apparently controversial. I mean, we (the UK) are supposedly their ally so yes it is kind of a shocker. And the repeated denials of everything coming out of Gaza is difficult to leave alone too - dismissing reports by medical personnel who are there for purely humanitarian reasons. When people are that wilfully blind then it does provoke discussion.

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 15:51

Just to add:

https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926577876448481725

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926577887278211413

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926577897940176927

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926577911391285299

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926577925349941636

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926577938935251239

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926578022347374674

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926578086604046806

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926578098071388532

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926578165272498571

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926579794566693288

https://x.com/ICK_GalG/status/1926580287393157601

https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1926591623523107184

https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1926592340874973474

https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1926595235242549497

https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1926598077634187412

I have copied the threads as separate links in case anyone interested (I doubt there will much) doesn’t have an X account.

Anyone wanting to dismiss the sources should also remember that Hamas controls the Gazan sources and I don’t take a proscribed terrorist organisation, whose main weapon is propaganda, as a credible source unlike much of the MSM. I also don’t believe stuff on X unless it is backed up by evidence.

Any unbiased media outlet would have investigated this by now but the story seems to have run it’s course with the damage it was intended to do, done.

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1930208389885251692

Gazan Doctor's Tragic Tale Raises Multiple Red Flags—Which Media Prefer to Ignore | HonestReporting

Who is Alaa Al-Najjar? According to Hamas, she is a doctor and the mother of nine children who were killed in an Israeli air strike on Friday (May 23),

https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 18:06

@AIBUHere
Why are you investing so much effort in discrediting the story? If not this family - how about all the other families and multiple children killed. I can’t remember one other family that has been highlighted like this- it brings a human face to the tragedy which pulls at people’s heart strings. Is that what bothers you?

Are you doubting this woman’s family even existed, that they died?

It’s despicable that people are generating AI images of her and her family, but more despicable that people are doubting that there may a family who has suffered such loss.

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:20

@Stripes56 Did you see Natasha Hausdorff doing the same thing. You know the more tragic the event the more the seeds of doubt need to be planted.

Have to follow the narrative.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 07/06/2025 18:34

Biscuitsformeandyou · 07/06/2025 12:18

Thank you for proving my point so perfectly I couldn't have scripted it better myself.

Notice what just happened: I pointed out that posters make ritual disclaimers about Hamas then return to obsessive focus on Israeli actions. Your response? Zero engagement with that observation. Instead, you've gone straight back to emotional appeals about "brutal occupiers" and "children dying right now."

You say this has been "answered time and time again" but you haven't answered it at all. You've deflected from it by claiming the thread is "about a family" - except this thread stopped being about that specific family dozens of posts ago when it became a general condemnation of Israeli war conduct and accusations of systematic genocide.

You've just recited a series of casualty figures as if they're established facts. But where do these numbers come from? The "18,000 children killed" - that's from the Hamas-controlled health ministry. The "1000 healthcare workers killed" - same source. These are the same people who initially claimed 500 died in the hospital blast that turned out to be a misfired rocket in a parking lot. These are the same people that committed such sexual atrocities on October 7 that this post might be deleted if I document them.

You're treating Hamas casualty reports as gospel truth while simultaneously ignoring them as a meaningful actor in this conflict. The same organisation that started this war, that uses hospitals as command centers, that maximises civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

You've just demonstrated exactly the pattern I described: emotional manipulation, unverified statistics from interested parties, and complete avoidance of engaging with the substance of what I said about the intellectual dishonesty of this discourse.

The fact that you can't even acknowledge this pattern exists - let alone examine it - proves it's not about the children at all. It is about demonising Israel.

I have answered it, on this thread, in response to a similar question by you. You asked why we are focusing on Israel rather than Syria etc… I already answered that. Attacking people for posting facts is completely DARVO, you can not defend these figures so instead you attack us and accuse us of being biased, of being pro Hamas when everyone on this thread has actually agreed they hate Hamas.

The figures we post are relevant to the thread, a thread where children and doctors had their home bombed.

Here is one reply I have given you already on this thread when you asked why we were not talking about Syria and other war crimes:

”The thing is I have not heard anyone say “oh Assad is a great man” if they did I would be posting data and links to articles that show that he is a war criminal who brutally murdered his own people. If anyone said “all the rebels in Syria are great” I would explain how there are 20+ different groups and some of them are pretty awful too. Happy to talk about Syria and the blatant human rights abuses there, the complexity of the situation etc…

Again if anyone defended the Taliban in Afghanistan or indeed the British and US governments who abandoned people to the Taliban, many of whom had been employed by the UK and US and were certain to be executed. Honestly I have had huge rants and cried tears for those poor people and am still very angry at how the west abandoned them.

It is largely agreed in the west (apart from a small number of extremists) that Assad is a criminal, the Taliban are criminals etc… we don’t have boards dedicated to debating it as we would all just be agreeing with each other. The figures from these conflicts are not disputed, the murdered are universally recognised as innocent victims. The thousands of images of people tortured to death in Syria was never called fake or Syriawood.

The problem lies with Israel’s manipulation of the media, shutting off a war zone to international press and then denying the testimony of doctors, amputees, UN workers, journalists, victims… The problem lies in justifying the death of children, debating the death tolls and attacking the UN, Amnesty International, most major newspapers. Israel is committing war crimes and spending millions on gaslighting anyone who calls them out on it.”

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 07/06/2025 18:41

Biscuitsformeandyou · 07/06/2025 12:18

Thank you for proving my point so perfectly I couldn't have scripted it better myself.

Notice what just happened: I pointed out that posters make ritual disclaimers about Hamas then return to obsessive focus on Israeli actions. Your response? Zero engagement with that observation. Instead, you've gone straight back to emotional appeals about "brutal occupiers" and "children dying right now."

You say this has been "answered time and time again" but you haven't answered it at all. You've deflected from it by claiming the thread is "about a family" - except this thread stopped being about that specific family dozens of posts ago when it became a general condemnation of Israeli war conduct and accusations of systematic genocide.

You've just recited a series of casualty figures as if they're established facts. But where do these numbers come from? The "18,000 children killed" - that's from the Hamas-controlled health ministry. The "1000 healthcare workers killed" - same source. These are the same people who initially claimed 500 died in the hospital blast that turned out to be a misfired rocket in a parking lot. These are the same people that committed such sexual atrocities on October 7 that this post might be deleted if I document them.

You're treating Hamas casualty reports as gospel truth while simultaneously ignoring them as a meaningful actor in this conflict. The same organisation that started this war, that uses hospitals as command centers, that maximises civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

You've just demonstrated exactly the pattern I described: emotional manipulation, unverified statistics from interested parties, and complete avoidance of engaging with the substance of what I said about the intellectual dishonesty of this discourse.

The fact that you can't even acknowledge this pattern exists - let alone examine it - proves it's not about the children at all. It is about demonising Israel.

Oh and in terms of casualties, we have also discussed that on this thread. The actual figures are likely much much higher than those reported. The figures we report do elicit an emotional response because they relate to people being killed.

“Unicef report that there are now more than 50,000 children dead and injured in Gaza! Since the end of the ceasefire in March, a further 1,309 children have been killed and 3,738 injured!
Edouard Beigbeder, UNICEF Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa said:

“These children – lives that should never be reduced to numbers – are now part of a long, harrowing list of unimaginable horrors: the grave violations against children, the blockade of aid, the starvation, the constant forced displacement, and the destruction of hospitals, water systems, schools, and homes. In essence, the destruction of life itself in the Gaza Strip.

Since the end of the ceasefire on March 18, 1,309 children have reportedly been killed and 3,738 injured. In total, more than 50,000 children have reportedly been killed or injured since October 2023. How many more dead girls and boys will it take? What level of horror must be livestreamed before the international community fully steps up, uses its influence, and takes bold, decisive action to force the end of this ruthless killing of children?”

https://www.unicefusa.org/press/unimaginable-horrors-more-50000-children-reportedly-killed-or-injured-gaza-strip

The economist are reporting that the death toll
is likely much higher than reported figures. They have explained how the death toll only includes people who have been identified and as thousands have not been recovered from the rubble they are not included in the official data. They estimate that the death toll is likely much higher than reported and could be as high as between 77,000 and 109,000. This accounts for approximately 1 in 20 of Gaza’s pre war inhabitants dead. They also explain the death toll only includes people killed by bombs and bullets, it does not include people who have died from malnutrition or from health conditions caused by the blockade.

“The researchers found that the overlap was so small that the true number of deaths was probably 46-107% higher than the official ministry total. If you assume that the ratio has stayed the same since last June (and not fallen, as systems caught up during the ceasefire, say) and apply them to the current tally, it would suggest that between 77,000 and 109,000 Gazans have been killed, 4-5% of the territory’s pre-war population.”
https://www.economist.com/interactive/middle-east-and-africa/2025/05/08/how-many-people-have-died-in-gaza

How many people have died in Gaza?

New research suggests the death toll may be higher than current reports

https://www.economist.com/interactive/middle-east-and-africa/2025/05/08/how-many-people-have-died-in-gaza

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 18:42

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:20

@Stripes56 Did you see Natasha Hausdorff doing the same thing. You know the more tragic the event the more the seeds of doubt need to be planted.

Have to follow the narrative.

@Martymcfly24
And there are so many other families and children that this could have been about.

It feels - for me- that this doctor’s suffering is a symbol for the suffering of the Palestinian population.

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:48

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 18:06

@AIBUHere
Why are you investing so much effort in discrediting the story? If not this family - how about all the other families and multiple children killed. I can’t remember one other family that has been highlighted like this- it brings a human face to the tragedy which pulls at people’s heart strings. Is that what bothers you?

Are you doubting this woman’s family even existed, that they died?

It’s despicable that people are generating AI images of her and her family, but more despicable that people are doubting that there may a family who has suffered such loss.

Have you got anything to say that refutes my posts?

How is it ‘despicable’ to want verified facts.

It’s language like that which fuels this terrorist propaganda.

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:49

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 18:42

@Martymcfly24
And there are so many other families and children that this could have been about.

It feels - for me- that this doctor’s suffering is a symbol for the suffering of the Palestinian population.

Agree. There are so many families that have completely been wiped out so there is no one to tell their story.

I agree that this doctors suffering is a symbol which is why is it is imperative that her story needs to be discredited.

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:49

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 18:42

@Martymcfly24
And there are so many other families and children that this could have been about.

It feels - for me- that this doctor’s suffering is a symbol for the suffering of the Palestinian population.

Exactly what it was created for. Well done.

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:50

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:49

Agree. There are so many families that have completely been wiped out so there is no one to tell their story.

I agree that this doctors suffering is a symbol which is why is it is imperative that her story needs to be discredited.

Surely it’s imperative that is verified?

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:56

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:50

Surely it’s imperative that is verified?

Are you saying the story is not true?

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 19:04

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:56

Are you saying the story is not true?

I don’t know and nor do you.

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 19:08

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 18:49

Agree. There are so many families that have completely been wiped out so there is no one to tell their story.

I agree that this doctors suffering is a symbol which is why is it is imperative that her story needs to be discredited.

The desperation to discount her suffering is pretty telling. They should have evacuated, questioning the children’s death, and back to - they were Hamas (the eldest child was 12).

The media has possibly run with this- because it does bring a human face to the obvious suffering.
When you are talking about only numbers - even when it’s 10s of thousands of innocent people being killed - people can’t really grasp what it means.

The last link the @AIBUHere posted was of a Piers Morgan X post saying how despicable it was to doubt the deaths.

Whatsinanamehey · 07/06/2025 19:11

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:50

Surely it’s imperative that is verified?

What should be verified? Are you doubting that they were killed? The IDF haven't posted a statement denying it.

Whatsinanamehey · 07/06/2025 19:12

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 19:08

The desperation to discount her suffering is pretty telling. They should have evacuated, questioning the children’s death, and back to - they were Hamas (the eldest child was 12).

The media has possibly run with this- because it does bring a human face to the obvious suffering.
When you are talking about only numbers - even when it’s 10s of thousands of innocent people being killed - people can’t really grasp what it means.

The last link the @AIBUHere posted was of a Piers Morgan X post saying how despicable it was to doubt the deaths.

At the time of their murder 80% of Gaza was declared a combat zone. How can 2 million people have evacuated into a tiny little area? It's next to impossible and inhumane to expect them to.

Whatsinanamehey · 07/06/2025 19:12

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:49

Exactly what it was created for. Well done.

Created for? What do you mean?

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 19:14

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 19:04

I don’t know and nor do you.

Whose going to verify it?

The IDF🤣

(Apologies for the disrespectful emoji with such an awful topic but at times it's needed)

Whatsinanamehey · 07/06/2025 19:15

We are 27 pages into this thread and there's one poster who throughout the entire thread has tried to lay the blame of the murder of these children on anyone except for the IDF who carried out the murders. Fucking hell.