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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas to release the bodies of the Bibas mother and children [Title edited by MNHQ]

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VolcanoJapan · 18/02/2025 18:24

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/18/middleeast/hamas-israel-hostages-to-release-bibas-family-intl/index.html

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ArtTheClown · 21/02/2025 09:03

I also don't believe it is true that all the protesters are just pro-Palestinian and not pro-Hamas, as any counter-protesters who hold up signs critical of Hamas get violently attacked.

StepawayfromtheLindors · 21/02/2025 09:08

noblegiraffe · 21/02/2025 07:52

Kidnapping a mother and her two babies is not resistance.

Parading the coffins of dead babies through a crowd to music is not resistance.

Returning a random body claiming it's their mother is not resistance.

Couldn’t agree with you more. I feel despair today.

RominaDina · 21/02/2025 09:09

I'm absolutely horrified by the way this has turned out. Like others on here, I'm not Jewish, no connection to Israel, but looking at the coverage in the last two days has absolutely sickened me.
I've been on many anti war and peace marches in my time. Hamas has shown who they are. Anyone going on future marches should bear this in mind.

StepawayfromtheLindors · 21/02/2025 09:11

Me too @RominaDina

EllaDisenchanted · 21/02/2025 09:12

I think one of the most heartbreaking acts of antisemitism I kept coming across was the tearing down and defacing of hostage posters with antisemitic comments (Kfir - “head still on”, written on, another where a swastika was drawn on his face, hitler moustaches drawn on both babies and more) . Even yesterday I saw a picture on x of all 4 Bibas’, with the children and Shiri x’d in red and the title was “One more to go. Finish the job”.

Sickening.

RominaDina · 21/02/2025 09:16

How can anyone deface hostage posters? These are totally innocent people. Children and the elderly? Vile.

verysmellyjelly · 21/02/2025 09:19

Yes, I didn't initially mention on this thread that I wasn't Jewish because I think it ought not to matter: everyone should recognise how appalling Hamas are and what an atrocity this is (one atrocity among the many they have perpetrated). I'm also wary of disclaiming Jewishness being itself a subtle form of anti-Semitism. But then the other side of things is that so many people do comment hatefully even on a thread like this that I think it's worth mentioning not being Jewish from time to time, just to underline that Israel (and Jewish people globally) are not wholly alone in a sea of unjustifiable hate.

The latest episode of Bari Weiss's podcast, Honestly, talked about how even Holocaust memorial museums are uncomfortable with the Jewishness of the Holocaust and often want to remake it into something more focused on intolerance in general. It's chilling how any discussion of hatred directed at Jewish people specifically seems to suffer from these redirection attempts.

RominaDina · 21/02/2025 09:26

@verysmellyjelly you make some good points, and I was very uncomfortable with aspects Holocaust Memorial Day this year. It's been used for other purposes, which worries me.

Paniconthedancefloor · 21/02/2025 09:28

Yes, I’m not Jewish either but am absolutely shocked and angered at the blatant antisemitism that our so called authorities are letting slide in our society. Fuck that.

inamarina · 21/02/2025 09:29

HermioneWeasley · 21/02/2025 08:56

I agree. Also not Jewish but have watched in absolute bafflement since 7th October. It so obvious to me that Hamas are responsible for everything that’s happened in Gaza that only absolute Jew hatred can explain the constant excusing of them/blaming Israel.

the celebrations of October 7th before Israel had taken any action, the ripping down of hostage posters, the calls for the destruction of Israel, Jew hunting in Amsterdam, - all the anti semitism our Jewish friends told us was always festering under the surface came raging forth.

it must be so scary to be Jewish now, it’s disgraceful.

Also not Jewish but have watched in absolute bafflement since 7th October.

Same here. What also baffles me is how many women seem to happily participate in displays of this mindless hatred towards Jews.
I’ve seen footage of women handing out sweets in street celebrations right after October 7th and of women ripping down hostage posters.
Then women like that student Dana Abu Qamar who said that October 7th was a ‘once in a lifetime experience’ and how it made her ‘full of joy’.
Yesterday, as Hamas was parading around the bodies of innocent hostages, there were pictures of women chatting and smiling, looking all happy and relaxed as if they were just having a picnic with their mates.
People tend to say ‘it’s always men’, but just look at these women cheering the violent men on.

VolcanoJapan · 21/02/2025 09:31

"It’s time to reject Hamas and separate the Palestinian people’s just and urgent aspirations from a despicable death cult that’s dehumanizing our people time and again. It’s time to denounce all the pro-“resistance” terror enthusiasts in New York, Europe, Australia, and elsewhere who keep cheering on Hamas and are celebrating the shameful parade of dead children, their mother, and an elderly peace activist. "

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RominaDina · 21/02/2025 09:33

I hope they get that poor woman's body back from Hamas, and her loved ones can have a proper funeral.
As for the poor woman whose body it is? Why was the mistake made, what about her family?
It's all so inhumane.

VolcanoJapan · 21/02/2025 09:34

To any marches read the above. You are not helping by cheering on the 'resistance'. Rape is not resistance, kidnap is not resistance, torture and murder is not resistance. Cheering the deaths of 2 babies and a mother and elderly peace keeper is not resistance.

Wake up and stop cheering on these terrorists and their supporters.

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inamarina · 21/02/2025 09:37

EllaDisenchanted · 21/02/2025 08:58

There’s a video from months ago early in the war when they met with Netanyahu and he basically begged them to say something or just try and they basically completely refused to do or say anything. He had the medications for the hostages and said Hamas wont take them but they could replicate them, they have a list of the medications, why not try. And they just stonewalled him.
I knew the Red Cross had been complicit in the holocaust in covering up the concentration camps, but I had thought that was in the past. This was the final end for any trust/belief I had left in these humanitarian organisations. I’ll believe in the goodness of individual people, but the organisations are rotten.

from 2 mins in

Thank you for the link. It’s so heartbreaking.

StepawayfromtheLindors · 21/02/2025 09:39

Why didn’t they transport the medication? Is it because they have to be strictly neutral politically even when it means ordinary citizens will suffer?

ArtTheClown · 21/02/2025 09:58

As for the poor woman whose body it is? Why was the mistake made, what about her family?

I think the chances of this being a mistake are extremely slim.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 21/02/2025 10:00

StepawayfromtheLindors · 21/02/2025 09:39

Why didn’t they transport the medication? Is it because they have to be strictly neutral politically even when it means ordinary citizens will suffer?

I do not know the details of this but surely giving medication to hostages is not breaking political neutrality? In what world is that ‘taking sides’?
i am baffled that this could be considered not being politically neutral. It is the very definition of it.

inamarina · 21/02/2025 10:01

Another friendly face:
https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1892863294215458953

inamarina · 21/02/2025 10:02

ArtTheClown · 21/02/2025 09:58

As for the poor woman whose body it is? Why was the mistake made, what about her family?

I think the chances of this being a mistake are extremely slim.

I agree. I also doubt Hamas cares about the dead woman’s family.

dairydebris · 21/02/2025 10:03

inamarina · 21/02/2025 10:01

This has got to be a rage bait post surely?!

Dandeliontea123 · 21/02/2025 10:18

I saw a Hamas spokesperson being interviewed on the news shortly after Oct 7. He promised that no harm would come to any of the hostages. That was already a lie. They don't care about or respect their own people but they frame it as 'resistance'. It is sickening.

OpheliaWasntMad · 21/02/2025 10:26

RominaDina · 21/02/2025 09:26

@verysmellyjelly you make some good points, and I was very uncomfortable with aspects Holocaust Memorial Day this year. It's been used for other purposes, which worries me.

Yes - there was a thread on the way some people/ countries tried to use Holocaust Memorial Day to criticise Israel. Dreadful.

ThePartingOfTheWays · 21/02/2025 10:29

inamarina · 21/02/2025 10:02

I agree. I also doubt Hamas cares about the dead woman’s family.

Yes, it's a useful example of the low regard Hamas have for fellow Palestinians.

ArtTheClown · 21/02/2025 10:33

Yes - there was a thread on the way some people/ countries tried to use Holocaust Memorial Day to criticise Israel. Dreadful.

Ireland was particularly egrerious, unfortunately.

inamarina · 21/02/2025 10:36

dairydebris · 21/02/2025 10:03

This has got to be a rage bait post surely?!

I’m not even sure anymore tbh.
After seeing that clip the other week of the two nurses in Australia smiling and threatening their Jewish patients it’s hard to tell whether people are trying to provoke or whether they just speak their mind because they’ve somehow come to believe that their views are perfectly acceptable.

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