Trump announces the US will take over the Gaza strip

[Atangledweb]

Announcement by Trump.

Take over and 'own it'

New thread since new announcements

@Dulra

"I can't imagine any nation keen or equipped to take 2 million traumatised homeless people no matter who they are. Trump doesn't do detail though."

Well the EU took in 6.2 million Ukrainians and 1.3 million Syrian refugees so I don't think it's necessarily the numbers.

I was thinking more along the lines of:

I can't imagine any nation being keen to offer refuge to 2 million Palestinians when historically the Palestinians have repaid such kindness and hospitality to their rescuers by either trying to take over their country (Jordan and Kuwait), launch terrorist attacks against your host( Egypt), use your host as a base to launch terrorist attacks causing the host to get bombed in retaliation (Libya) or start a war with your neighbours (Lebanon).

The rest of the Middle Eastern countries see the Palestinians as trouble and don't want them anywhere near their borders.

Far better that the Palestinians keep themselves busy fighting Israel rather than fighting Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon etc etc.

This is from a year ago, so I do think it was very much the plan from the Trump Inc point of view

Sadly no, wrong skin colour and wrong religion (it's ok to delete if anyone is offended. )

I feel sorry for the Palestinians, it's their home land. Historically, I think Balfor, Sykes & Picot have a lot to answer for.

The region is in so much turmoil at the moment. Everyone is watching for the next move.... it's not looking good.

There is that. It's been tried before and didn't work. Why did they previously repay kindness and help with mayhem and terrorism?

Until terrorists are no longer in control of Gaza there is no positive future, just more of the same. There must be some group that wants to run gaza with peace and prosperity rather than just continuing war with Israel.

I agree with Dulra here too. Will wonders ever cease.

I suggest Florida

Trump has yet to do anything positive which benefits anyone other than himself. He’s deranged and dangerous

Surely the displaced Palestinians can go and live in Greenland? Sorted.

I'm not sure what troubles me more.

Last week I was yearning for the days of George W Bush's statesmanship, decorum, humility and intellect.

This morning I'm wondering whether a coup d'état in the US (a proper one by the military, not the Proud Boys and other nut jobs in bearskins) is now the best outcome for the rest of the world.

There must be some group that wants to run gaza with peace and prosperity rather than just continuing war with Israel.

Yes, there is. It’s called ‘The Trump Administration’. Only, the peace and prosperity wouldn’t be for Palestinians….

Trump’s comments

"Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs."
It would be the "Riviera of the Middle East".
He continued: "I've studied it. I've studied this very closely over a lot of months, and I've seen it from every different angle."

Me too. They are, aren’t they?!

Is this a genuine account? Because this is literally just rubbish and misinformation. Anyone who has spent time in Arab countries or known Palestinians can assure you that this is not true.

@Atangledweb

"There is that. It's been tried before and didn't work. Why did they previously repay kindness and help with mayhem and terrorism?

Until terrorists are no longer in control of Gaza there is no positive future, just more of the same. There must be some group that wants to run gaza with peace and prosperity rather than just continuing war with Israel."

Why did they repay kindness and help with mayhem and terrorism? Well largely because those that were left leaning in the West anti Israel / anti semitism in Middle Eastern countries fed the narrative of the Palestinians as victims.

Being portrayed as a "victim " rather than the "bad guys" creates a sense of resentment rather than shame and a desire for revenge rather than reconciliation.

A classic example of this is Germany - after WW1 they were increasingly seen in the West and indeed felt themselves as victims of an unfair Versailles Treaty. When Hitler came along he played this victim card and desire to get German dignity back. The West went along with this until Germany militarily conquered Poland so Poland was seen as the victim.

However after WW2 Germany was seen in the West and Russia as the aggressor who must never be allowed to be in a position of strength again. In turn

This then in turn led a feeling of guilt / shame amongst ordinary Germans rather than a feeling of being a victim and seeking revenge.

Honestly I can tell you that a lot of Jordanians want absolutely nothing to do with the Palestinians and see them as a destabilising threat to the Kingdom.

In answer to your point "There must be some group that wants to run gaza with peace and prosperity rather than just continuing war with Israel." The answer is feeling like a "hard done by victim" and asking for aid is way easier than the hard work path of reconstructing a country to become a stable prosperous nation especially as it will be a long process with a lot of economic suffering along the way.

They would NEVER be 'moved back' into shiny new condos...

Exactly. This will be the main barrier to peace. The whole population will need to be de-radicalised. Otherwise there will never be able to be open borders, the risk is too great.

Very good points.

You said.

"Being portrayed as a "victim " rather than the "bad guys" creates a sense of resentment rather than shame and a desire for revenge rather than reconciliation."

So as long as they retain victim status then the money floods in as it has done for many, many years, but no solutions sought. There would never be resolution for this. Something fundamentally different has to occur.

That's what the Iranian foreign minister jokingly suggested the Israelis do last week in an interview with Sky News,

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-suggests-expelling-israelis-greenland-2022727

I think trumps strategy is say something completely ridiculous and unworkable get everyone in a flap about it and then do something not so extreme but unpalatable if he had suggested it initially

I agree. It’s part of his “deal maker “ tool kit. Makes the final offer / suggestion seem reasonable even if it’s not

Excellent analysis, thank you.

Jokingly? Really? As much of a joke as Trump's idea.

The answer is feeling like a "hard done by victim" and asking for aid is way easier than the hard work path of reconstructing a country to become a stable prosperous nation especially as it will be a long process with a lot of economic suffering along the way.
You are forgetting a few details here such as an illegally occupied state which severely impacts their ability to become a stable prosperous nation and is the main reason they need aid.

Absolutel, it's mirrors the absurdity of Trumps suggestion.

To all the people that have ties to Gaza, is there any group there that is more moderate that might form a government.

Or is it just Hamas or the PLJ from elsewhere? Is there no one moderate?

Seemingly, Egypt and Jordan get aid , trade and security USA. He will probably threaten to cut off according to a Professor on the BBC. He was very interesting.