Trump announces the US will take over the Gaza strip

[Atangledweb]

Announcement by Trump.

Take over and 'own it'

New thread since new announcements

I have not read the full thread so am not sure if anyone has already mentioned that the Trump family has had this on their mind for a while. This is about a speech by Trump’s son in law a year ago in The Guardian:

Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’

Donald Trump’s son-in-law also says Israel should bulldoze an area of the Negev desert and move Palestinians there.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

@Lalaloveya I am not the one arguing people don't actually read what others have actually written before posting ...I was making an observation that is allowed...

@Atangledweb
You had said “Thank you” in reply to this answer:

“InveterateWineDrinker · Today 10:33
The obvious answer would be the Palestinian Authority, but they lost what by all accounts was a free and fair election to Hamas in Gaza and Hamas haven't let go since.”

Inveterate had been replying to your question:

“Atangledweb · Today 10:24
To all the people that have ties to Gaza, is there any group there that is more moderate that might form a government.
Or is it just Hamas or the PLJ from elsewhere? Is there no one moderate?”

It is perhaps worth explaining that for years Netanyahu systematically encouraged the sidelining of The Palestinian Authority and encouraged Hamas so as to prevent the making of a Palestinian State.

He is still effectively doing the same thing to suit his present purposes:

This is the journalist, Amir Tibon, an Israeli who was at Kibbutz Nahal Oz when Hamas attacked on Oct 7, writing in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz yesterday:

"Obviously, any serious plan for Gaza after Hamas would have to include some level of involvement by the Palestinian Authority, which remains – despite all its faults and weaknesses – the only alternative to Hamas in the Palestinian political arena. By saying no to any plan that includes the PA's involvement in Gaza, Netanyahu has created a situation in which Hamas, injured but still standing, remains in power there. Then, in an incredibly cynical move, he uses this reality – brought about by his own failure to take difficult decisions on Gaza's future – as an excuse to disrupt the cease-fire and hostage release deal" – Amir Tibon

Every morning I'm like WTF

Netanyahu is as much a plague on his own people as Hamas is on theirs. He's happy about Trump's intervention because it kicks his own day of reckoning (he, like Trump, faces freedom-threatening legal troubles) into the long grass, but there will never be peace with him in place. Most Israelis I know can now see that, even long-standing Likud supporters.

The (next) problem is that to shore up his grip on power he has invited ever-more radical far right totems into his Cabinet under the pretense of 'unity' so the government is really now quite unrepresentative of the Israeli people as a whole, and he has rammed through emergency measures limiting freedom of expression into the bargain.

The next Knesset election is due in October 2026 so things are going to be bumpy for a while.

Let’s hope so!

I think Israelis and Jewish people worldwide should also be very very wary of Trump and his movement. The movement is full of and driven by people who are, among other things, antisemitic.

They might want to start with Gaza. They might not want to stop there.

Exactly, how is Trump going to make them go, they've already said they're not going anywhere, it's all just nonsense

Listening to the world at one open mouthed. The BBC seems to be completely legitimising this as a outside the box idea for peace. We are witnessing ethnic cleansing.

DP has seen a report that American Nazis want to move both Palestinians and Israelis to somewhere like north Korea. You couldn't make it up!

Yep let's just pinch it and turn it into Dubai and boot out any remaining population - that's going to end well !!! I hate Hamas and its actions but equally think Netanyahu is an utter menace and has been for a very long time. Trump is bloody insane and it breaks every code of conduct going. Netanyahu should be behind bars and to be frank Trump should be too- here's too guysstaying out of the nick simply by idiots wanting simplistic solutions voting for them - problem is UK too is full of undereducated xenophobic people who likely think 'that sounds ok to me' and no I'm not a' far lefty ' - he will end up with a ton of terrorism on US soil

And as for 'out of the box thinking' - well South Africa thought 'out of the box' as did Hitler . Maybe when Hitler started gassing people the BBC could report it as 'an alternative strategy' !!!

Ultimately though Trump's proposal is simply never going to happen for a multitude of reasons.

I think it is simply a negotiating play where I put something so extreme and unpalatable in the table that the other side reels back in horror. I then put something on the table less extreme that the other side thinks "well in comparison this is not too bad".

So you support ethnic cleansing do you?

I've seen multiple separate posters on MN suggest that Israel be moved to Florida. They weren't joking any more than this guy is.

Man’s barking.

No it's not funny. Just like the many posts suggesting to ethnic cleanse Gaza aren't funny.

dairydebris · Today 09:46

user1468867181 · Today 08:55
Perhaps the USA would like to take the displaced Palestinians in!

I suggest Florida

Why? Florida will likely be under water in 20 years.

That's not what @marshmallowmix said, is it?

That's the point, it is a ridiculous statement. Yet, so many posters on social media consistently argue for the Palestinians to move aka be ethnically cleansed again.

That is then used by other people to argue that all Israelis should go back to Brooklyn, Poland, Ukraine etc.

Unacceptable and not funny at all.

I keep thinking this man has been playing Sims, where you can move your digital 'people' around willi-nilli and no-one objects. But these are real people, with histories that go back millenia, at least to the time of Christ, and as a post above has said, not simply Arabs, but Canaanites. Hebrews, Greeks, Romans. They are Christians, Jews and Muslims with a complex intertwined history, not as some American churches teach, a non-people "there are no Palestinians". There have been suppressed scientific studies which showed that it is not possible to distinguish between the DNA of Israelis and Palestinians. (Probably reported in New Scientist long ago, but can't be traced.) Anyway, if they don't want to be displaced again why the hell should they be? Because some real estate person wants to plant a development there? They are people. People have rights. Look at the USA founding documents for the idea.

Well they queried what neighbouring countries would take them and then concluded none would. So close enough to it.
Just those troublesome Palestinians wouldn't be tolerated making it a non runner.

It should go without saying that no one should be forced to leave their homeland .
This might seem a naive question (or even offensive but I hope not) but is it possible that some Palestinians might welcome an opportunity to make a new start in a different country IF it was properly funded and they were given proper choice and agency ?

Some would some have. Choice and agency are the key words. Forced = ethnic cleansing

It is so shocking that this is even on the table.