The brutal truth of the war in Gaza.

[Whatsinanamehey]

"To find safety from Gaza, you need first to become the victim of a catastrophic injury and then be lucky enough to be identified, selected and extracted.
That's one of the many brutal truths from this long war."

This article is certainly an eye opening read on the failures of those governments who support Israel in their campaign of cruelty. It's very rare for Israel to allow even injured children with multiple limb amputations, to leave Gaza for treatment. I have read previously that despite all the difficult work to organise an evacuation.. in the last minute Israel will just refuse it with no explanation given.

It isn't enough that they torture and murder health care staff, they bomb hospitals, the routinely block medical aid, they constantly bomb residential blocks and safe zones. After all of that only a select few are given permission to leave this living nightmare.

https://news.sky.com/story/how-the-lives-of-the-few-child-amputees-allowed-to-leave-gaza-are-being-rebuilt-elsewhere-13278543

Oh? What did I write that was wrong? Britain has been responsible for most of the ills of the modern world, including, sowing the seeds of the very crisis we are discussing in this thread as it happens.

And Britain is responsible for the ills of the modern world is such an insulting idea! As if the peoples of the rest of the world have no agency, no ability to make their own choices. Its actually monstrous.

If you're looking for seeds you might want to consider why the State of Israel was created. Really every aspect of your post is monstrous.

Well some things are out of our hands. Hundreds of years of your country being plundered, subjected to British state violence and the destruction of your language and culture tends to have an effect, regardless of the efforts of post-colonial generations.

And yes, Palestine is also a victim of British meddling.

As a person of Britain myself I apologise profusely for everything my ancestors and fellow countryfolk did to the noble people of your country.

Evening, all. We understand how emotive this topic is, but please do avoid getting personal when posting - personal attacks will be removed.

Britain is still allies with a country whose PM is a wanted man for international war crimes. What a disgrace.

Britain and other countries are still actively arming that country, too.

I daid the comment was stupid and my comment was removed. It's not personal to say a comment is stupid. I'll leave tge thread it's pointless when people can make ridiculous statements that stand and others aren't allowed to challenge.

Appalled that you allowed a hateful comment to stand and yet took down responses to it that were not personal just calling it out as ridiculous or stupid, which the original comment was.

What's the point. It achieves nothing and allows people to make untrue comments then complain when people reply to untrue comments. I'll leave the thread as it's frankly silly if that rubbish stands.

Perhaps we should return the thread to its original purpose - expressing sadness and horror that innocent children are suffering horrific trauma and being denied access to the medical care they need in order to survive or have a chance at having any quality of life.

Every single day brings more cruelty.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/12/israeli-siege-of-north-gaza-leaves-5000-dead-missing-after-100-days

1. I won't be apologising for the actions of my ancestors. @HappyPanda613 is welcome to carry all the white guilt they want. One wonders why if the west is so awful, so many risk their lives to come... Remembed, Israel is a democracy, Gaza is a dictatorship.

1. Gaza is built upon the premise of the complete destruction of Israel. They voted for Hamas.

1. If elements of the 'international community' had come come down hard on Gaza on Oct 8 in the same way as some are condemning Israel, maybe none of this would've happened. But they didn't. So Israel did it themselves. Much of the ME quietly feel Israel is doing the dirty work for them.....->

1. Much of the Islamic world is sitting on its hands because they hate and fear Iran and its proxies, and many have first hand existence of what happens if you allow an influx of Palestinian refugees, (the word Palestinian having been coined by Arafat).

1. Hamas have openly stated that they do not care about the fate of the people of Gaza. The Israelis built an iron dome to defend the civilian population, Hamas built tunnels under hospitals and schools to defend themselves.

1. Anti-Israel sentiment strays dangerously close to anti-semitism. I'm not seeing any blue-haired non-binaries, earnest students who couldn't find their arses in the dark with both hands, let aline 'Gaza' on a map, and black shrouded coach loads marching against the slaughter in Sudan or Nigeria.

1. A hostage release (or, more likely, a wildly disproportionate swap of prisoners for hostages) alone does not end this. Remember Gaza are still shelling Israel. Hamas need to be dismantled.

1. Hamas 'demands' towards Israel need to be tempered with the recognition that they started this situation, and are losing.

1. Had Gaza played its cards more intelligently since its inception, it could now be a desirable holiday destination, 'winter sun', investment paying for industry and infrastructure, living tolerably alongside Israel.

That's a shocking article @Auvergne63 . Absolutely heartbreaking. 70 children in 5 days . I teach in a small school and that's half the population of the school.

It's absolutely unimaginable to think they were just wiped out.

I wasn't aware that Arafat was alive or active in either Ancient Egypt or Ancient Greece, but maybe he was a time traveller or something. Anyway, whatever time period he was in, he probably would have shared the sadness and dismay felt by many about the intentional targeting of children as well as the callous disregard for their lives which factors into the use of tactics which see their lives as unimportant. He probably also would have hoped for those children to have access to life-saving medical care.

It is. Yet some people will still defend what cannot be defended. I don't understand it. I really don't.

Arafat styled himself as a Palestinian. He was Egyptian. And he is credited with branding the disparate groups of Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese etc who'd drifted into the land now called Israel as 'Palestinians'.

Not now living where your ancestor had roots is hardly unique to anywhere on the planet. Most peoples adapt and get on with it. Gaza has allowed itself to become a proxy for a foreign power, mired in conflict and poverty.

Israelis 💯 have roots in Judea and Samaria. They're now back there because of the anti-semitism of middle Europe and, remember, the Muslims who have basically deported them out of their countries, notably around the Med. We've all seen the pre 1948 and post stats for these countries.

Unless he was a time traveller, he didn't come up with the term or its use as the name of people living in the geographic area. Palestinians have their roots in the area, and every right to live there free of oppression and occupation. No innocent person deserves to be forced from their home at gunpoint, to be arbitrarily detained and tortured and sexually assaulted in prisons, to be murdered for the crime of being their nationality/ethnicity, to have food and water restricted, to watch their children be maimed and killed, or any of the many other injustices being inflicted upon Palestinians, while the world assists and cheers on the perpetrators.

The children of Gaza are being murdered.

When you say Judea and Samaria, that usually refers to the West Bank, otherwise known as Palestine. Are you then suggesting that the occupation is somehow ok in your opinion, or that Israel should fully annex and displace Palestinians (who are currently living there) from the West Bank?

Not now living where your ancestors had roots is one thing. Actively using violence and oppression to expand a country's borders by physically removing innocent people from their own homes and land is a different situation. Would you consider it acceptable for people to assault you and your family, force you out of your home, destroy it in front of you and then say "We live here now"? Because that is literally what is happening to people in Palestine right now, in the West Bank.