Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

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I'm surprised this hasn't already been posted but Ireland passed a non binding motion a few days ago that “genocide is being perpetrated before our eyes by Israel in Gaza”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/micheal-martin-ireland-south-africa-gaza-people-b1192666.html

It's not unpalatable, but it's not a defence to the genocide Israel is carrying out.

I'm not attacking you. I'm commenting on your previous comments.

I'm glad you now seem to realise that these events are heinous and indefensible.

I’ve never defended the heinous events you refer to ..
I have criticised the behaviour I have witnessed of people on the marches in London .
I have expressed contempt for Hamas and the suffering they have caused to both Israelis and Palestinians.
And I’ve expressed my concern about the increase in anti semitism outside of Israel.

I have never supported Netanyahu or his government policies but I understood the need to take action in the aftermath of October 7.
I am horrified at the scale of the suffering imposed on Palestinians. I have never held ordinary Palestinians responsible for Hamas’s actions. ( any more that all Ulster Catholics were responsible for IRA )
I am not really bothered about what you think about my posts but I do want to clarify what it is I actually believe because things get distorted on here .

@RAplusOne

That article highlights that our history is more complicated than the common narrative that the Irish were always victims as there were ways in which Ireland was complicit in the empire etc..,,

I don't think it changes the fact that republic was occupied and is living with the legacy of partition and feels empathy with the Palestinians.

It is genocide

The irony dripping from your post is darkly hilarious.

The fact you continued to distort every post I made when I repeatedly clarified my statements.

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Here you go in case your memory fades. After I had stated over five occasions clarification. Pot. Kettle

Ffs move on

Like you did constantly misinterpreting my posts and disparaging those of us who had family members murdered by the soldiers occupying our island.. Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

I actually think that the way a lot of people speak about the violent history between Ireland the UK is something very similar to the Israel/ Palestine debate. As terrible as the IRA were, everyone knows they exist and we educate British people about them but there's no education or acknowledgement made of the violent terrorism and murders inflicted on people by terror groups that supported the British state or paramilitary groups. I think this is why I personally take umbridge at the notion everyone should just move on from our past because it's why we are seeing our government still support colonial violence without really learning anything and why we have also seen governments in recent times jeapordise the GFA. With Hamas everyone is comfortable condemning them and calling out their evil terrorist behaviour for what it is but the actions of settler groupsnor IDF which should also be classed as terrorism is given more nuance or like they were acting that way because someone made them.

Yes, I don't think most English people have the first clue about the level of collusion between the British army, British government and loyalist paramilitaries to murder civilians in NI.

There was a huge amount of collusion I agree.
Horrible times for both communities

I had family members ( Catholic) living in what was termed “bandit country “ on the border. It was a terrible time. No one in my immediate family was killed but lives were ruined in other ways ..

Yes the impact of trauma destroys lives. I really fear for the young children in Gaza and the future they'll have, if they survive, because of what they've witnessed and lived through. No child should be exposed to such horrors

I 💯 agree with that

No they really don't, the education system doesn't cover it which isn't a suprise really and many of the horrors taking place were out for sight for them which I think is very similar to the experience of many Israelis.

I think there is a great deal of truth in this but I think the British public is much better informed than it was in the height of the troubles when a very simplistic narrative was conveyed by the British press and politicians. I think it’s better now and the Peace process and move towards truth and reconciliation has helped the exposure of the collusion between British authorities and Loyalist terrorists / paramilitaries .
I hope that Israel and Gaza are able to move forward but I fear things have gone too far for reconciliation for generations currently living in the region.
I hope I’m wrong.

And by reconciliation I don’t mean public forgiveness for the perpetrators of hideous atrocities- I mean reconciliation between ordinary innocent civilians on both sides.
But sadly I think that might not be possible now.

Sadly I don't think many are. Even just politically think back when the conservatives were forming their coalition with the DUP, we had serious English news correspondents and pundits showing absolute ignorance to the political histories, some were even suggesting Sinn Fein may take up their seats in Westminster it was mind boggling how uninformed people are about a country that is part of the UK.
I fear you aren't wrong, it has gone so far now and so many government such as ours have involved themselves to a point that they can't bring about any resolution now.

Have the British government admitted to collusion or apologised for it?

I made a thread on this, No posts from posters who support the actions of the IDF. Strange, isn't it?

It is cruelty upon cruelty; horror after horror. Our Western governments are complicit in this. I am disgusted.

They did for bloody Sunday and there were cases against British soldiers but that stopped with the tories legacy bill. I think labour are looking to repeal it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-66648806.amp

Yeah. They haven't even admitted most of it. Which makes reconciliation impossible.

The reconciliation is between the ordinary Ulster Protestants and Catholics who all suffered during the conflict.
Things have improved greatly so reconciliation has already happened in lots of ways . Mainly due to the courage and determination of ordinary people- usually women. . But relationships could deteriorate which would be a tragedy for everyone in the region.