Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

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I'm surprised this hasn't already been posted but Ireland passed a non binding motion a few days ago that “genocide is being perpetrated before our eyes by Israel in Gaza”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/micheal-martin-ireland-south-africa-gaza-people-b1192666.html

Twisting the meaning again? 🙄

Does FFS move on have another meaning..?

My other meaning - focus on now and the Palestinian crisis rather than the past

Yes Ireland are focusing on the Palestinian crisis, informed by their history and shared experiences and empathy with the Palestinian people.

Exactly same as why S.A have been focused on what's happening in Gaza, because they have empathy due to their experience.

do British people still own properties in Ireland that be returned to them?
Short answer: No

I'm sure there was a should in that sentence but it seems to have disappeared

Exactly, and why Ireland has a long history of solidarity with SA as well.

Touché, not nice is it.

I am not bigoted and your comment is sickening considering my family history. Those of us today still haven't achieved justice from British acts of murder in very recent history.

But I live by and respect the good Friday Agreement. But I most certainly won't listen to the crap on here basically belittling the impact it had on our citizens and culture.

We forgive we don't forget is a healthy view but it doesn't suit your narrative does it.

So do you think the Israelis should move on from 07/10? It is, after all, in the past, recent or not.

No - I was referring to past events from before any of us were born ( hundreds of years ago)

You sound bitter. I’m sorry you still feel so angry about the events in the past. Don’t take it out on people who weren’t even born at the time..

Ok. So when would be the cutting point from moving on or not?

Land wasn't taken by force. It was done through legal means. There was a series of land acts that redistributed land under both British rule and Iater irish rule. That are too complicated for me to remember.

Maybe the poster is referencing the many Protestants who left Ireland during the war of independence and after the free state was established. This was voluntary (but I'm sure many weren't happy about it) Some of this was some feared for their safety during the civil war but there were loads and loads of factors about why these affluence, educated Protestants weren't happy in an independent & poverty stricken Ireland. You could write sn essay on it.

Interesting we still pay ground rents on a small number of properties. They don't add up to a lot but the Duke of Leinster is getting 7 euro a year or something for the national library.

So no - there aren't British people waiting for us to hand back land.

In fairness you doubled down on your insistence we should 'FFS move on' even when I and other posters said we have lost family members in our lifetimes. If you think the only people killed by the army or terrorists were hundreds of years ago, you're sadly mistaken.

How is looking for justice bitter?

Your comment shows ignorance and lack of respect for individuals who have still questions unanswered. Thankfully the UK government is doing better..

But keep spouting your ill informed posts of will provide fodder for students on how history wrote by the victor brings ignorance

Thank you for the information @mollyfolk and @JaneJeffer.

And I am not! So maybe read properly peoples posts.

I really can’t understand what you’re saying here. My objection was to your use of the term “invaders” and the way you spoke about the descendants of “invaders” (who have now been accepted because of the Good Friday Agreement??)

The Ulster Plantation began in 1606 .. are those the invaders you meant?

I have not criticised anyone on the basis of their own personal experience of loss in Troubles.
People on both sides of the religious divide in Ireland have lost family members so I think it’s right that we should not use inflammatory or derogatory language about either side.
I think it was clear that I was criticising the hyperbolic description of Anglo Irish people who descended from English colonisers ( but who are now Irish)

I think when there is no longer anyone alive who has personally suffered it is sensible for a nation to move on. Referring back to the suffering of previous generations is useful historically - of course we can learn from the past- but it’s not useful if it encourages division and hatred .
Sometimes moving on is necessary. Nelson Mandela was a very good role model in that respect .

Calling the British invaders in a discussion about the the history of colonising of Ireland isn't inflammatory, it's accurate.

Where do you draw the line?

This is the view I object to - a view that suggests the descendants of the (mainly poor Scottish) colonists of the Ulster plantation of 1606 are now considered a “permanent fixture “ because of the Good Friday Agreement and because they “big up their Irishness”

Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.
Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..
Addressing the nuances in posts is ridiculous as it is beyond multifaceted. But yes I do want my country all of my country for the Irish. I am a proud nationalist. Isn't everyone ?”

Thanks for your answer but I think the Jewish community might find this problematic in the next few years, regarding the Holocaust, as no survivors will be alive.
Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu were, indeed, good role models.
In reality, according to my SA colleague, attitudes towards Black SA haven't changed much. Racism is still deeply ingrained.

Im sure that’s true.
I agree that this isn’t easy. In the context of Ireland I think moving on has to be part of the peace process.
Btw - I meant “ move on” in terms of the focus on the tragedy of Irish history rather than “move on” in terms of personal tragedy.
Ireland is a peaceful and successful country now. There may still be deep wounds but all countries have those and there are countries that are suffering now .