"You see us burning, you stay silent..."

[Scirocco]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr54y0qplgvo

Please, read, listen and see what is being done to innocent people here.

Remember them.

Now, perhaps more than at any previous time in history, we can easily know the human cost of hate and violence, and the human cost of looking away.

Remember them. And remember all the other innocent people who have died and continue to die because of hatred and because of apathy.

Do you rate over £42000 dead as a success? Wow!
The increased sale of weapons to Israel is something to be deeply ashamed of, weapons used to murder children by the way. I am glad that my government is calling for a weapon embargo. Others have joined them too. Supporting a state intent on committing atrocities is morally corrupt.
The West supports Israel because of geopolitics. Look it up.

? So you are skipping the 40yrs of Soviet occupation of East Germany and the 7yrs of American occupation of Japan to claim the bombs brought “freedom”?

Tell me again how 3 days of bombing one German city directly caused the Berlin Wall to come down in 1989, the collapse of the Soviet Union and reunification of Germany? Or tell me how the Soviet Union was “freedom” when every survivor and historian would beg to differ?

Tell me how the nuclear bombs brought freedom when they really brought nothing but death, destruction and occupation?

It was the peace process and diplomacy that brought freedom.

I completely reject the “saved lives” argument in both cases. That is propaganda that has been on rinse and repeat engrained in us since childhood. Plenty of Israelis believe massacring Palestinians is savings lives and freeing them from Hamas too. Doesn’t make it true in the slightest.

Rightly or wrongly this is what Israel is arguing - Hamas / Palestine's Genocidal attack has torn up the rule book, and the UN hasn't had time to write a new one since Oct 7 so there is no rule book to follow.
Rightly or wrongly this is what Israel is arguing - Hamas / Palestine's Genocidal attack has torn up the rule book, and the UN hasn't had time to write a new one since Oct 7 so there is no rule book to follow.

They are arguing wrongly because the rule book, which is international law, states that even if your opponent commits war crimes that doesn’t mean you can also commit war crimes. The laws are still there and should be followed. The fact that the US is blocking the international community from enforcing the laws is a problem.

This is what some sociopaths are supporting They have lost all their humanity.

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Does the definition also list the reasons why you would give assistance?
For example, someone could support a person committing a crime.
You see, a definition just explains the meaning of a word and nothing else.

Could people please stop

a) equating Hamas with Palestinians

and

b) saying patronising crap like "Palestinians - reach out to us" - it's offensive.

Auvergne63, " Do you rate over £42000 dead as a success? Wow!"

me personally - NO. I think it is terrible. But war is always terrible.
The world - Yes. The world sees it as a success. Factually this is the only way it has continued for the last year. And it's the only way that it will continue tomorrow.

The original post is I think about what will it take to stop this. My answer is destrcution / removal of Hamas. So stop prolonging the inevitable.

You know that this war will still continue tomorrow, next week, next year. Until the world gets what they want.

We have been taught in US history that there were only three options

• Japan unconditionally surrender
• Invade Japan and kill as many civilians as possible until they unconditionally surrender
• Nuclear bomb Japan to shock and awe them into unconditional surrender.

But there was always the option of a ceasefire and negotiating a peace agreement or a conditional surrender.

After the surrender of Germany, the Japanese sent a plea to the Soviet Union (then an ally of the US but declared neutral for the Pacific theatre of war) to mediate a peace agreement/conditional surrender between Japan and the US. But the US rejected all overtures and insisted on unconditional surrender and occupation.

The world can only stop the burning and save Palestinians if we can wipe out all terrorists. A terrorist state cannot live next to Israel any more than one can live next door to the US or any other democracy or country which recognizes rules of war. But we CANNOT use democratic rules of war when wiping out terror and terrorists.

The GWoT tried that “kill them all” (that’s what wipe out all terrorists really means) and it massive backfired. It was proven to be the surest strategy to multiply the number of terrorists as it did not reduce or stop terrorism.

There is no such thing as a terrorist state because terrorists are by definition nonstate organisations in an armed conflict.

The rules of war are meant to apply to all armed conflicts including fighting terrorists. Not following them vastly increases the number of new terrorist recruits you are creating. See GWoT lessons learned.

The world - Yes. The world sees it as a success.
Please provide unbiased evidence for this,
My answer is destrcution / removal of Hamas.
The only way to achieve this is to raze Gaza to the ground. Is this what you support?
You know that this war will still continue tomorrow, next week, next year. Until the world gets what they want.
There is being ill informed and there is being deluded!

Look at all this support 😱

Evidence of potential war crimes collected by British spy planes operating over Gaza could be handed to the International Criminal Court, the UK has confirmed.

The World is saying that this current situation (aiding the war whilst meekly asking for a redcution in civilian deaths) will continue until Hamas are destroyed, or removed. There's no other ending here.

You have a point here in regards to the hypocrisy of the hegemonic west.

It isn’t the world that is saying this as the majority of the World, as represented by the UNGA has called repeatedly for a ceasefire since 26 Oct 2023. All the polls in multiple countries of regular civilians show the same majority desire for a ceasefire, except for the polls in Israel.

The ones supplying weapons and rubber stamping attack plans, while gaslighting everyone that they are pushing for a ceasefire and negotiating hostage release, are not the World, but the Western Hegemony of the world, which is itself US dominated.

And it isn’t the people, the voters, of these countries, but their leaders as again, polls show that most regular civilians are against the decisions of their leaders to actively support what is most definitely ethnic cleansing and possibly to the degree of a genocide.

Do we really have a democracy if leaders are ignoring the will of the people they were elected to represent?

Totally agree.

Maybe Egypt could help? Or Saudi? Or the myriad of other Muslim countries who appear to not give a shit... there really is nothing I can do.

Hamas are completely to blame for the current situation... 7th Oct was a terrible day and this is now a horrendous retaliation.

I suppose that is intended to be like the accessory to crime who turns states evidence to get off scot free or with a lesser sentence.

The future of Israel is much less secure than it was even five years ago and that makes me sad. Bibi’s leadership has been nothing but a complete disaster.

I sometimes wonder if the US is just giving Israel enough rope to hang itself because I don’t think they care about Palestinian or Israeli lives. They are using this conflict to test new weapons, make money, and test that their hegemonic grip on the UN is still super-power strong.

They can’t help, western hegemony means their hands are tied beyond sending humanitarian aid and trying to exert diplomatic pressure. The Saudis saying no normalisation unless Palestine gets a state was the limits of what they can realistically do.

With the exception of anti-missile missile components. We need to stop ALL weapons supplies to Israel. Today.

This didn't start on 7/10/2024.

More than that, as the UK RAF has been flying reconnaissance missions and various parts of the American military have been providing both practical and intelligence to the IDF, they are both directly implicated in any crimes that the IDF commits.

So it's as much about self preservation as much as "support".

Could you please stop:
a) telling people what they can think and say

b) pretending that a substantial amount of Palestinians don’t support Hamas

Who exactly do you think Hamas are? They aren't some rag-tag group of "freedom" fighters from elsewhere in the world - they are the fathers, sons, brothers and uncles of those they are causing misery and death to. They are Palestinians.

Hamas aren't "freedom fighters". They're terrorists. Yes, the majority of Hamas members are Palestinian, but that doesn't mean Palestinian = Hamas.

In addition to the responsibility Hamas hold for their actions and choices, Israel is also responsible for its actions and choices. Multiple response strategies could have been chosen - this was what they chose.

Countries have been trying to help, but are limited in what they can do. Countries were involved in trying to get a ceasefire negotiated - Israeli leaders and Hamas both presented major obstacles to this at varying times. Countries have tried to support aid efforts - a lot of aid is blocked, but those efforts are continuing. Countries have offered medical care and treatment for injured people - Israel refuses to let a lot of those people leave. Even if people wanted to leave their homeland and seek asylum/refuge elsewhere, they can't get out and countries need to weigh up the risks to themselves of taking in refugees from Gaza, not least because doing so could place their own country in the firing line for the campaign of 'eradicating Hamas' (given the concerns about far-right expansionist views for a 'Greater Israel', neighbouring countries won't be keen to take in people who could later be accused of being Hamas). On a geopolitical scale, Israel is backed by the US - countries in the ME are very aware of how things tend to go if the US gets more involved.

It shouldn't be about religion or ethnicity, either. It should be about right and wrong. If these things were happening where you or your family live, if it were you or your family in danger, you would probably hope that people could see the wrongfulness of the things being done to you or your loved ones, and that they would want to help, regardless of faith or nationality.

As @Scirocco points out if any of what is happening to the people of Gaza was happening to us and our families, we would hope the rest of the world would call out the injustice and act to save us. Empathy is called for here!
I often think "there but for the grace of God..."